MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[FirstTimer]

There is compliance check, but for different entities. Not applicable in this case.

IVC, thank you. Would you mind elaborating on who are the "different entities" you refer to?

[IVC]

I'd be really concerned if I had an unregistered AW with bullet button right now, it's an assault weapon, I'm possessing it, and it hasn't been registered!

We both know where you're going with this, but you are confusing the he!! out of the guys who are on your side. Even ifilef got his feelings hurt and is not sure whether you guys are still bff-s.

The whole PC 30680 implies that this would be legal. Yes, the argument for pre/post registration removal of BB is the *same* if solely based on 30680. Yes, if I say to the guy "don't do it before registration, but you might be able to do it after" and I only limit myself to 30680 I am making a nonsensical argument because 30680(c) exempts BB-less during 2017 the same way the rest would exempt *registered* BB-less *after* 2017.

Now enter 30675(c) that exempts RAW owners from 30605 with no qualifications. That by definition differentiates based on pre/post registration. Also enter legislative intent about "bullet button loophole" and the whole "statute must be interpreted as a whole" and I can find many potential benefits to waiting after registration to remove BB vs. removing it now.

Also, whether you remove it now or later, there is still extremely low chance of any DA wanting to make an example of you because it would certainly result in a prolonged legal battle that is completely unnecessary if the DA wanted just to score political points - he can prosecute people without registration and with BB-s post 2017 at will. And 95%+ of EBRs post 2017 will likely be in this category.

[ifilef]

So, in your view the so-called exemptions are ABSOLUTE without exception?

Can you think of a fact scenario where a defendant would not be able to successfully avail himself of such exemption(s)?

Yup, if one satisfies conditions of an exemption than whatever the person is exempt from is, well, what the person is exempt from.

Only if the conditions of the exemption are not satisfied. Otherwise the lawmakers should modify the exemption such that it doesn't apply in cases the legislators want to exclude.

Well, the contra argument might be that modifying a weapon to a configuration not lawful or eligible for registration in the first place doesn't entitle one to claim that exemption, and/or constitutes a bad act that voids one's registration ab initio. I think that the DOJ would consider such an act void or voidable by DOJ or a judge might do the same in a criminal trial, or let the jury decide. The judge might even take that out of the hands of the jury (as a question of law) and rule the registration as void concurrent with the unlawful act or retroactive to the date one registered the firearm as an AW.

Who would want to expose themselves to such a risk? Beats me...

[ifilef]

I'd be really concerned if I had an unregistered AW with bullet button right now, it's an assault weapon, I'm possessing it, and it hasn't been registered!

Do you realize there are people here who would take your statement literally? Not even an emoji, except, arguably, the exclamation point for those who picked up on it.

Come on, you're messing up the thread and confusing people with your sarcastic game-playing.

[IVC]

IVC, thank you. Would you mind elaborating on who are the "different entities" you refer to?

It's about holders of "dangerous weapons license." Think FFLs who deal/handle AWs for police and alike.

[CandG]

If I register my street legal car, and then modify it so that it's not street legal anymore (say, REALLY bright headlights), does that nullify my car registration? If I get pulled over for my REALLY bright headlights and the officer asks for my registration, and I show it to him, can he then say ,"Sorry, this isn't valid registration, because your car isn't street legal anymore"? I would be inclined to think he'd only write me a ticket for my REALLY bright headlights, unless somehow I fall into a category that is exempt from the law the prohibits them. I don't believe it's likely that I'd get an additional ticket for my current car registration being invalid as a result of the REALLY bright headlights I added after I registered my car. And if somehow I was exempt from the REALLY bright headlight ban, I don't believe I'd get any ticket, at all.

[Discogodfather]

I'd be really concerned if I had an unregistered AW with bullet button right now, it's an assault weapon, I'm possessing it, and it hasn't been registered!

Are you equally concerned if you might have a rifle (AW, BB, or featureless) that does not make 30" with a non-permanent muzzle attachment? Seems like this is an automatic AW charge according to the OAL re-definition.

This effects practically anyone with any SACF.

[WeStayClean]

If I register my street legal car, and then modify it so that it's not street legal anymore (say, REALLY bright headlights), does that nullify my car registration? If I get pulled over for my REALLY bright headlights and the officer asks for my registration, and I show it to him, can he then say ,"Sorry, this isn't valid registration, because your car isn't street legal anymore"? I would be inclined to think he'd write me a ticket for my REALLY bright headlights, unless somehow I fall into a category that is exempt from the law the prohibits them.

was thinking of the exact metaphor in my head

[IVC]

If I register my street legal car, and then modify it so that it's not street legal anymore (say, REALLY bright headlights), does that nullify my car registration? If I get pulled over for my REALLY bright headlights and the officer asks for my registration, and I show it to him, can he then say ,"Sorry, this isn't valid registration, because your car isn't street legal anymore"? No, he writes me a ticket for my REALLY bright headlights, unless somehow I fall into a category that is exempt from the law the prohibits them.

It's even worse than that. It would be as if the law changed to ALLOW bright lights and you modified it to have those bright lights, but the LEO said: "Sorry, this isn't valid registration, because your car wouldn't be legal if you had these lights when you bought the car - your registration is for a *different* car."

[CandG]

It's even worse than that. It would be as if the law changed to ALLOW bright lights and you modified it to have those bright lights, but the LEO said: "Sorry, this isn't valid registration, because your car wouldn't be legal if you had these lights when you bought the car - your registration is for a *different* car."

A *different* car with the same VIN

[ifilef]

If I register my street legal car, and then modify it so that it's not street legal anymore (say, REALLY bright headlights), does that nullify my car registration? If I get pulled over for my REALLY bright headlights and the officer asks for my registration, and I show it to him, can he then say ,"Sorry, this isn't valid registration, because your car isn't street legal anymore"? I would be inclined to think he'd only write me a ticket for my REALLY bright headlights, unless somehow I fall into a category that is exempt from the law the prohibits them. I don't believe it's likely that I'd get an additional ticket for my current car registration being invalid as a result of the REALLY bright headlights I added after I registered my car. And if somehow I was exempt from the REALLY bright headlight ban, I don't believe I'd get any ticket, at all.

If you do it enough and don't address the issue your car might be impounded and DMV will revoke your registation.

Moreover, it's apples n oranges concerning the registration of AW as Dangerous Weapons vs. DMV car registration.

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

We both know where you're going with this, but you are confusing the he!! out of the guys who are on your side.

I'm so confused please help me! How does 30680(c) exempt an AW with BB during 2017 if I haven't registered it yet? you make me worried when you say the law "implies" something. I know I'll be ok after I register because PC 30676(c) says so, but 30680(c) doesn't say that.

[ifilef]

I'm so confused please help me! How does 30680(c) exempt an AW with BB during 2017 if I haven't registered it yet? you make me worried when you say the law "implies" something. I know I'll be ok after I register because PC 30676(c) says so, but 30680(c) doesn't say that.

I've had enough of you, sir!

Ignored.

[IVC]

A *different* car with the same VIN

Hey, it's bright lights. Everybody know they are used for hunting deer. You're lucky if they didn't charge you with poaching...

[IVC]

I'm so confused please help me! How does 30680(c) exempt an AW with BB during 2017 if I haven't registered it yet? you make me worried when you say the law "implies" something. I know I'll be ok after I register because PC 30676(c) says so, but 30680(c) doesn't say that.

Section 30680 exempts from 30605 by requiring ALL conditions to be satisfied,(a)-(c), so (c) is just a necessary condition. All three conditions must be satisfied for exemption.

Now I'm not sure what you're getting at.