MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[Sousuke]

Despite the legally-questionable regulations, which I do hope get challenged in the courts - and I'm willing to contribute to any foundation that does file suit...

I'm still going to register, and keep my BB attached unless/until we prevail in court that this regulation is outside the law. I think there are good grounds to challenge a "new class" of weapons, not defined in the statute as the DOJ writing law for which no authority from the Legislature exists.

The benefit to registering as an AW is that I can keep my features, and eject with a keyring eject button. Far faster than BB Reloaded, and I can always buy a second, featureless AR/MSR for travel.

Me too.

[Shell]

Also, the more people that have registered AW's the more standing we have to fight with SCOTUS in the future.

For example, the right to inherit AWs from your parents - especially if you yourself own an AW, is an excellent 2A argument that needs to be had.

If I am already trusted by the state with a registered AW, there is a valid 2A argument that I should be allowed to inherit my parent's AW's - which legally are my property upon their passing.

Please folks, register your MSR's and just buy a second featureless (or BB Reloaded gun). We won the Supreme Court for the next 25 years, in all likelihood, we have to band together now.

If we can get anywhere close to a million registrations, that would send a huge message that we aren't all going to walk away from the table and move out of state.

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

not relevant...5472(b) discusses not registering AWs subject to AW register laws prior to Jan 1 2017....

You mean, like, semiauto centerfire rifles with the capacity to accept a detachable magazine?

[2Aallday]

I'm pretty sold on FGG's logic. I don't know what we can really do.

I think it comes all the way back around to whether there is truly a compelling state interest in limiting the constitutional right to bear arms by prohibiting a standard magazine release -- or really any Feature. The compliance features are too easily reversed by a bad actor to say they do anything other than unjustly limit the constitutional right.

Which is ultimately what we want to argue anyway...

Additionally, the "extra-deadliness" of features must be challenged. Is there any case law on this? This is like trying to fight diabetes by banning, but temporarily allowing registration of, cars with cup holders...

[Crazed_SS]

Despite the legally-questionable regulations, which I do hope get challenged in the courts - and I'm willing to contribute to any organization that does file suit...

I'm still going to register, and keep my BB attached unless/until we prevail in court that this regulation is outside the law. I think there are good grounds to challenge a "new class" of weapons, not defined in the statute as the DOJ writing law for which no authority from the Legislature exists.

The benefit to registering as an AW is that I can keep my features, and eject with a keyring eject button. Far faster than BB Reloaded, and I can always buy a second, featureless AR/MSR for travel.

Agreed.

Except for I still cant get jiggy with featureless ARs.

My M1A and Mini-14 will have to suffice

[Boristheblade]

11 CCR 5472(c)

Well that was simple lol.

[jcwatchdog]

You mean, like, semiauto centerfire rifles with the capacity to accept a detachable magazine?

That's not what 5472(b) says at all. It says it will not register a firearm that was required to be registered under prior assault weapon registration laws in effect before January 2017. 5472(b) has nothing to do with the current law that goes into effect tomorrow. I'm not sure why you quoted it at all.

There is no part of 5472 that says that you can't register an AW in 2017 that was converted to a standard mag release, aside from anotehr section that they want a picture of it.

These regulations were shoddy at best, and will have holes punched in them shortly.

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

I'd like to think you're not that dense but you're not giving me anything to work with.

[Shell]

Another new thing: Previously there was a lot of concern about the legality of affixing a magnetically-attached bullet button ejector.

But I see nothing in these regulations that prohibit that. It is not a permanent modification of the gun. And, these guns are now registered AW's (edit: assuming you register it in 2017, of course).

A magnetically attached BB eject button is a defeat device... but these regulations do nothing to prohibit defeat devices on registered AW's. And registered AW's are allowed to naturally eject.

I think that may be the long-term solution. Magnetically affix a BB ejector when firing, then put it back in your gun case when done.

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

Q: was a semiauto centerfire rifle with standard mag release required to be registered under pre 1/1/17 AW law?

A: Yes.

Q: So, can it be registered?

A: No.

[BajaJames83]

Agreed.

Except for I still cant get jiggy with featureless ARs.

My M1A and Mini-14 will have to suffice

Until they get banned like was proposed this year.

[jcwatchdog]

I'd like to think you're not that dense but you're not giving me anything to work with.

So again, you want to see things that aren't there. From regulations about PCs that don't exist, to assuming something exists just because it should be assumed it's there, even though it's not. You quote a section 5472(b) that has absolutely NOTHING to do with what is being discussed, and you play it off. And I'm dense?

[Tacticaldad]

I am an avid shooter and calgunner and I have spent hours trying to decipher all this crap... and still have more questions than answers... I don't see how any average joe LEO is going to enforce it

[penguinman]

Another new thing: Previously there was a lot of concern about the legality of affixing a magnetically-attached bullet button ejector.

But I see nothing in these regulations that prohibit that. It is not a permanent modification of the gun. And, these guns are now registered AW's (edit: assuming you register it in 2017, of course).

A magnetically attached BB eject button is a defeat device... but these regulations do nothing to prohibit defeat devices on registered AW's. And registered AW's are allowed to naturally eject.

I think that may be the long-term solution. Magnetically affix a BB ejector when firing, then put it back in your gun case when done.

This is specifically addressed in the regulations. Page 3 section (m)

[jcwatchdog]

Q: was a semiauto centerfire rifle with standard mag release required to be registered under pre 1/1/17 AW law?

A: Yes.

Q: So, can it be registered?

A: No.

This is about rifles that were part of the previous AW bans (including named, etc), not the POST 2017 AW law. They make this clear. You know, the one we're currently talking about that are affecting our rifles currently.
So no, you can't register that Colt Sporter now that should have been registered in 2000.

This isn't talking about registering any AWs in 2017.