MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[dieselpower]

FWIW DOJ has overstepped the CA ban-islation by adding shotguns to the regulations, the legislature did not have shotguns in the bills.

BWiese's post quoted herein:

too bad that is what they did.,

[CandG]

too bad that is what they did.,

And since there are no repercussions for them breaking the law, they might as well. Worst case scenario, they have to defend it in court on the taxpayer's dime, maybe they win maybe they lose, makes no difference to them.

[CreamyFettucini]

Read 30515(a)(7) re SA shotguns with detachable magazines as AW, and then read reg 5471(a).

Ralph has possessed a SA shotgun with BB prior to 1/1/2017. Can he lawfully register this firearm as an AW in 2017?

He can lawfully register it because the DOJ, overstepping the authority granted by 30900 pc, is requiring registration for BB SASG.

[dieselpower]

He can lawfully register it because the DOJ, overstepping the authority granted by 30900 pc, is requiring registration for BB SASG.

they also covered their butts with (pp) so any firearm with a BB gets a pass.

[AlexDD]

In fact I am fairly sure they say the exact opposite. If you can unscrew the tube and remove it without disturbing the action, its not a fixed magazine.

To remove the tube, one would normally remove the barrel and the bolt. Many require heating up the threads to remove while secured in a vice. One can look up on YouTube.

I am guessing the armorers manual would say the same thing. Not the official manual but illustrates the point.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0947/7014/files/Benelli_M4_Full_Length_Magazine_Tube_Installation_and_Removal_of_the_OEM_Tube.pdf?14878268952152473921

It can be argued you should remove the internal action/bolt ... but this thread is about splitting hairs at this point so should vs must you.








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[meno377]

To remove the tube, one would normally remove the barrel and the bolt. Many require heating up the threads to remove while secured in a vice. One can look up on YouTube.

I am guessing the armorers manual would say the same thing. Not the official manual but illustrates the point.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0947/7014/files/Benelli_M4_Full_Length_Magazine_Tube_Installation_and_Removal_of_the_OEM_Tube.pdf?14878268952152473921

It can be argued you should remove the internal action/bolt ... but this thread is about splitting hairs at this point so should vs must you.


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Perhaps, but if it's possible to remove without the barrel coming off and without the bolt coming out then it's not a fixed magazine under the law.

[AlexDD]

Perhaps, but if it's possible to remove without the barrel coming off and without the bolt coming out then it's not a fixed magazine under the law.

While just a cad simulation, shotguns need the barrel removed

http://youtu.be/MElNeUzlG1w

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[CandG]

Sweet video! Holy crap, there are way more parts in an M4 than I thought.

Ya, there's a taper on the receiver-end of the mag tube that looks like it wouldn't fit through the barrel ring. Just looked at my old magazine tube in my closet and verified that.

Not sure what other s/a shotguns that applies to

[Kowan]

My 930 JM Pro has a normal stock with no pistol grip. So it appears safe from their screwup.

[Constitutional]

Would it be possible to have more undefined acronyms' used in basic discussion?
If you're drawing a blank on my question, you are the problem.

Perhaps you have grown accustomed to what they mean.
But perhaps as well, a great many of us have not.

If I can not understand your shorthand and lazy abbreviations, then you have lost me as a possible supporter.

And what should be your goal? To gather as many possible supporters as possible.

Stop with the lazy shorthand. I'm trying to be on your side, but I'm not sure of what you are saying. or trying to convey.
What is so hard about using the English language?

Define your acronyms, or link me to a place that expressly deciphers that which you are too lazy to express in English.

[AlexDD]

Sweet video! Holy crap, there are way more parts in an M4 than I thought.

Ya, there's a taper on the receiver-end of the mag tube that looks like it wouldn't fit through the barrel ring. Just looked at my old magazine tube in my closet and verified that.

Not sure what other s/a shotguns that applies to

Glad to help. It is from an app for Android and iOS. It is great if you want to know your firearm inside out. It is called Gun Disassembly

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[ojisan]

Perhaps, but if it's possible to remove without the barrel coming off and without the bolt coming out then it's not a fixed magazine under the law.

I can not think of a single semi-auto firearms design where the magazine is retained by the bolt, barrel or trigger parts....the "action" as defined.
I do believe there are a couple designs where the hammer spring pushes against the mag catch, but even here there is a separate non-trigger part to retain the magazine.

It's pretty clear they were thinking about scissoring open an AR to top load it.
It's pretty clear that they did not consider all the other firearms designs and types out there.
This whole mess is pure BS (sorry about the acronym).

[CandG]

Would it be possible to have more undefined acronyms' used in basic discussion?
If you're drawing a blank on my question, you are the problem.

Perhaps you have grown accustomed to what they mean.
But perhaps as well, a great many of us have not.

If I can not understand your shorthand and lazy abbreviations, then you have lost me as a possible supporter.

And what should be your goal? To gather as many possible supporters as possible.

Stop with the lazy shorthand. I'm trying to be on your side, but I'm not sure of what you are saying. or trying to convey.
What is so hard about using the English language?

Define your acronyms, or link me to a place that expressly deciphers that which you are too lazy to express in English.

Really? We'll lose you as a supporter because you can't be bothered to look at the "acronym definitions" pinned thread? As such a die-hard 2a supporter, you will be missed.

If you feel like sticking around still, here: http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=78606

You should really be able to deduce what most of these acronyms mean anyways, if you put your mind to it. SA = semi-auto, CF = centerfire, BB = bullet button, etc etc. You're the only one here complaining about the acronyms, so we all need to adjust the way we speak to each other for you?

But again, if you're so on-the-fence about being a supporter that acronyms might legitimately turn you against the 2a (that means Second Amendment ), then.... bye.

[3rd_gear]

...
If I can not understand your shorthand and lazy abbreviations, then you have lost me as a possible supporter.

And what should be your goal? To gather as many possible supporters as possible.

Stop with the lazy shorthand. I'm trying to be on your side, but I'm not sure of what you are saying. or trying to convey.
What is so hard about using the English language?

Define your acronyms, or link me to a place that expressly deciphers that which you are too lazy to express in English.

GTFO.

[southernsnowshoe]

No DoJ is re-writing the regs. Dont remove the BB just yet.

And they will continue to re-write until 1/1/2018