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Peņa v. Cid (Handgun Roster) **CERT DENIED 6-15-2020**

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  • Federalist50
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 53

    Originally posted by Calier
    So what's happening with this case? Are we basically waiting for SCOTUS to say whether or not they will be hearing it?
    On hold pending NYSRPA.
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    • kuug
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2014
      • 773

      Originally posted by Federalist50
      On hold pending NYSRPA.
      and then it will be GVR'd

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      • AKSOG
        Veteran Member
        • Jul 2007
        • 4139

        Originally posted by Federalist50
        On hold pending NYSRPA.

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        • Librarian
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          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Oct 2005
          • 44627

          Originally posted by Calier
          So what's happening with this case? Are we basically waiting for SCOTUS to say whether or not they will be hearing it?
          I continue to be bemused by the reading habits of others.

          But perhaps our local habits are not common.

          In these lawsuit cases, we try (but do not always succeed) to note current status in the first post of the thread.

          I also try to update the thread title with some abbreviated phrase that indicates the last event; here, really, the last thing that is publicly known is the filing of the cert petition. That has neither been granted nor refused, and our reasoned speculation is, as noted, that the certiorari decision is waiting on the NYSRPA case.

          Sitting with no movement at all since 2018 does seem as if we'd forgotten something, but SCOTUS has no deadlines at all in law, their own written procedures, or in custom.

          We have a corps of court-watchers; should there be any news, it will be posted here within hours of the event.
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          • kuug
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2014
            • 773

            Originally posted by Librarian
            I continue to be bemused by the reading habits of others.

            But perhaps our local habits are not common.

            In these lawsuit cases, we try (but do not always succeed) to note current status in the first post of the thread.

            I also try to update the thread title with some abbreviated phrase that indicates the last event; here, really, the last thing that is publicly known is the filing of the cert petition. That has neither been granted nor refused, and our reasoned speculation is, as noted, that the certiorari decision is waiting on the NYSRPA case.

            Sitting with no movement at all since 2018 does seem as if we'd forgotten something, but SCOTUS has no deadlines at all in law, their own written procedures, or in custom.

            We have a corps of court-watchers; should there be any news, it will be posted here within hours of the event.
            You should keep this link as a sticky in the national and CA forums to reduce these types of thread bumps

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            • Quickdraw559
              Senior Member
              • May 2012
              • 1890

              Originally posted by kuug
              You should keep this link as a sticky in the national and CA forums to reduce these types of thread bumps

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              • ronlglock
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • May 2011
                • 2670

                Originally posted by kemasa
                If you have a C&R FFL and CA DOJ COE, then you are exempt from the 1 in 30 even for modern firearms, so in that case you could buy all that you can afford.
                If I remember correctly, the DOJ end-run which implemented 1-in-30 for FFL03/COE on modern firearms was to prevent us from stocking up during the SSE "grace period." Let's hope that doesn't come back from the grave.

                Originally posted by 93chipper
                The handgun roster is a absolute joke and a problem because of the black market after all look at how many police officers got in trouble for straw purchases and I don’t even know why they are exempt from the law if their job is to enforce it..
                Officers are exempt from the law because of their need to carry "unsafe" handguns in the performance of their duties. Their union also is very good at lobbying.
                Last edited by ronlglock; 04-24-2020, 7:37 AM.
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                • kemasa
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 10706

                  Originally posted by ronlglock
                  If I remember correctly, the DOJ end-run which implemented 1-in-30 for FFL03/COE on modern firearms was to prevent us from stocking up during the SSE "grace period." Let's hope that doesn't come back from the grav.
                  No, it is about making it harder and more expensive to get guns. Consider that they want to limit long guns to one every 30 days.
                  Kemasa.
                  False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

                  Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

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                  • EM2
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 4805

                    Originally posted by ronlglock
                    If I remember correctly, the DOJ end-run which implemented 1-in-30 for FFL03/COE on modern firearms was to prevent us from stocking up during the SSE "grace period." Let's hope that doesn't come back from the grave.



                    Officers are exempt from the law because of their need to carry "unsafe" handguns in the performance of their duties. Their union also is very good at lobbying.
                    Nope, there is no NEED to carry an off roster handgun in the performance of their duties.
                    The state could simply 'roster' whatever handgun(s) was necessary for the performance of their duties.

                    Nope, this is about setting up a special class of citizen and power over the rest.
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                    It's the flu for crying out loud, just stop.

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                    • kemasa
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 10706

                      Originally posted by EM2
                      Nope, there is no NEED to carry an off roster handgun in the performance of their duties.
                      The state could simply 'roster' whatever handgun(s) was necessary for the performance of their duties.
                      This. If it were about safety, it would be far more important that the firearms that officers carry be tested, as well, it would only apply to duty firearms and not other firearms, such as a .22 pistole.

                      Nope, this is about setting up a special class of citizen and power over the rest.
                      I disagree, that is a side affect, but I think that the main goal is to make it much harder and less likely for people to buy firearms. If you reduce the selection, it is less likely that people will buy as many.

                      The exemption for LEOs was needed so that they were not against it, which worked. Unfortunately, it is often the case that people are only against things which directly affect them, rather than what is right and wrong. Consider taxing items for things which don't relate to that item, such as smoking and children which many people will support because they don't smoke.
                      Last edited by kemasa; 04-24-2020, 12:49 PM.
                      Kemasa.
                      False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

                      Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

                      Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein

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                      • that one guy
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 1002

                        After reading benetiezs 120 page ruling regarding ammo. He says something about interstate commerce. Can that same tactic be used with the handgun roster?

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                        • kuug
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2014
                          • 773

                          Originally posted by that one guy
                          After reading benetiezs 120 page ruling regarding ammo. He says something about interstate commerce. Can that same tactic be used with the handgun roster?
                          Yes it can

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                          • Elgindy25
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2013
                            • 970

                            Originally posted by that one guy
                            After reading benetiezs 120 page ruling regarding ammo. He says something about interstate commerce. Can that same tactic be used with the handgun roster?
                            Link? What was said about the roster exactly?

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                            • HowardW56
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 5901

                              Originally posted by Elgindy25
                              Link? What was said about the roster exactly?
                              https://michellawyers.com/wp-content...anting-MPI.pdf Pages 37 - 39
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                              • Sputnik
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2011
                                • 2114

                                Originally posted by taperxz
                                Ya, and the courts work at internet speed.

                                It didn't get denied for a reason. NY may predicate what happens to Pena. How do you not get this?
                                Nearly so if you are the state AG and you want an emergency stay on an unfavorable preliminary injunction; then you can get the judges up at ten pm on Friday night on just a few hours notice.
                                No double standard there...

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