Miller v. Bonta 9th Ckt "assault weapons": Held for Duncan result 1-26-24

[ar15barrels]

You first, and tell us how it works out.

20 years without a single problem or ever hearing of a problem from any of my fellow match shooters who also registered AW's.

[ar15barrels]

The real question must be:
Why does government need to know who has what firearm if the stated goal is *only* the background check?
I mean, if I am eligible to own firearms, whose business is what I own?

I agree, but as a competitive shooter, I need to be able to transport my free state configuration AR to matches around the state without worrying about some young traffic cop seizing them because they don't know if it's legal or not.
By having it registered, it can be looked up in the registry and show up as legally registered to me and since it's an AW, there are no configuration issues to worry about if the gun is legal or not other than NFA issues that apply to ALL guns equally.

I'm not retiring in CA so there's no issue of me not being able to sell them.
I'll be able to sell them or bequeath them when I am too old to enjoy them myself.

[dogcatcher]

I agree, but as a competitive shooter, I need to be able to transport my free state configuration AR to matches around the state without worrying about some young traffic cop seizing them because they don't know if it's legal or not.
By having it registered, it can be looked up in the registry and show up as legally registered to me and since it's an AW, there are no configuration issues to worry about if the gun is legal or not other than NFA issues that apply to ALL guns equally.

I'm not retiring in CA so there's no issue of me not being able to sell them.
I'll be able to sell them or bequeath them when I am too old to enjoy them myself.

So you find it perfectly acceptable for the government to penalize you for transporting your legally owned firearms if you are unwilling to jump through their hoops. Liberty must not be high on your list of priorities. That's all I need to know about you.

[ar15barrels]

So you find it perfectly acceptable for the government to penalize you for transporting your legally owned firearms if you are unwilling to jump through their hoops. Liberty must not be high on your list of priorities. That's all I need to know about you.

I would like to keep my gun rights and my free state configured firearms.
I'm not willing to break the law and get caught to prove that I won't follow the law.

If you are willing to stop using your free state firearms and bury them or configure them to be legal in CA instead of registering them to be able to keep them in a free state configuration, that's on you, not on me.

You are simply complying with the law in a different way than I am.

[IVC]

I'm not retiring in CA so there's no issue of me not being able to sell them.
I'll be able to sell them or bequeath them when I am too old to enjoy them myself.

Unless we get a universal registry via the so-called "universal background checks" (the anti-gunners wouldn't even consider any setup without registry, so we DO KNOW that their primary objective is the registry, not the background checks).

A lot of people thought they were safe in 1994, just sayin'...

[jamesob]

If the magazine is in the pistol grip and you add a threaded barrel to it, you are in violation of CA law.

Wrong

[dogcatcher]

Does anyone know when we can expect a verdict from the 9th circuit panel?

[Bolt_Action]

Does anyone know when we can expect a verdict from the 9th circuit panel?

No.

[jcwatchdog]

Does anyone know when we can expect a verdict from the 9th circuit panel?

Anytime after the 23rd I think, but actually when who knows, but for sure nothing before the 23rd at least.

[M60A1Rise]

I agree, but as a competitive shooter, I need to be able to transport my free state configuration AR to matches around the state without worrying about some young traffic cop seizing them because they don't know if it's legal or not.
By having it registered, it can be looked up in the registry and show up as legally registered to me and since it's an AW, there are no configuration issues to worry about if the gun is legal or not other than NFA issues that apply to ALL guns equally.

I'm not retiring in CA so there's no issue of me not being able to sell them.
I'll be able to sell them or bequeath them when I am too old to enjoy them myself.

Not being an *** BUT do you think a LEO will have the equipment let alone an updated system to check that while on the road ? You know good and well it will be confiscation and come back a later date because that's just the way it works. So now you're delayed to a match , take time off to ge pick up LEGAL firearm and possibly miss work days ? That's just criminal imho. No need to register , it's already in a system when you DROS.

[Dirk Tungsten]

Not being an *** BUT do you think a LEO will have the equipment let alone an updated system to check that while on the road ? You know good and well it will be confiscation and come back a later date because that's just the way it works. So now you're delayed to a match , take time off to ge pick up LEGAL firearm and possibly miss work days ? That's just criminal imho. No need to register , it's already in a system when you DROS.

Yes? I'm pretty sure the terminals in any patrol car in the state will allow an officer to run a gun and it's serials in the AFS, including RAWs. If I'm wrong on this one of the LEOs in here can correct me.

[RickD427]

Not being an *** BUT do you think a LEO will have the equipment let alone an updated system to check that while on the road ? You know good and well it will be confiscation and come back a later date because that's just the way it works. So now you're delayed to a match , take time off to ge pick up LEGAL firearm and possibly miss work days ? That's just criminal imho. No need to register , it's already in a system when you DROS.

Yes? I'm pretty sure the terminals in any patrol car in the state will allow an officer to run a gun and it's serials in the AFS, including RAWs. If I'm wrong on this one of the LEOs in here can correct me.

Dirk is pretty much on point here. Nearly every LEO working on patrol has the ability to run electronic checks from their patrol unit and they will normally do so before making a weapons seizure. No LEO likes to look like a knucklehead when someone else has to clean up their mistakes.

But there will always be a few agencies that are behind the times, and there are remote locations where electronic access is limited.

It's also important to note that Assault Weapon registration information cannot be transmitted over voice radio (the common fallback where digital radio doesn't work - voice radios generally operate on a lower frequency and can still work where higher frequency digital radios don't).

[M60A1Rise]

Thanks , I really didn't think they'd even spend the money on something like that. I thought all those terminals did was wants & warrants maybe car registration.

[sfpcservice]

Thanks , I really didn't think they'd even spend the money on something like that. I thought all those terminals did was wants & warrants maybe car registration.

If the cops terminals are anything like where I work, they are either on an agency specific radio system or are linked via commercial cellular (ours are cell).

What is available on the terminal is up to the agency, the terminals are basically touch screen windows computers. For a time ours had internet access, but someone screwed that up as people do...

So basically they can link to any system the agency wants.

[CandG]

I understand the dislike for a registration requirement, I strongly dislike it as well, and I'm also opposed to any ruling which mandates further registrations for people. But there is a lot of uninformed FUD going on in here right now.

First, yes there have been some DOJ visits. Like AR15Barrels estimates, I'd bet it's less than 200. I've only seen 20 or so documented or claimed occurrences, most of which could have been avoided by simply following directions. That number should be ZERO, I think we all agree with that, but to say or imply that registration will inevitably cause a DOJ raid is nonsense.

Second, yes, most LEO in CA can run a weapons check through their computers in their patrol car. If that's unavailable, they can have dispatch run the serial. In any case, it's not hard to print out a copy of your registration and keep it with your weapon. Personally, I printed like 20 copies and put one with each RAW (inside the grip, or in its case, etc), one in my wallet, and one in each range bag. It's totally ridiculous that I have to do that, but if it helps avoid a "48 hour hold while we sort this out" then it's what I'll begrudgingly do.

Again, I fully agree with everyone's hatred for AW registration, wish it was never a thing, do not want any more of it, and want the existing statutes to be gone; I just want people to be sensible and not spread uninformed fear around, as that doesn't help anyone.