Miller v. Bonta 9th Ckt "assault weapons": Held for Duncan result 1-26-24

[darkwater34]

M16 used by US MILITARY is a select fire weapon and in all fact is a machine gun and falls under the assault weapon description because of this you have safe, semi, burst, full auto. The AR15 is only a semi auto firearm without a select fire mechanism and is not an assault weapon nor does it meat the standards to be in the classifications as the M16 is in. Therefore I own an ARMORLITE STYLE SEMI AUTO RIFE that does not hold up to the test to be in the same class as the M16 even though they appear to look the same they don't function the same.

[darkwater34]

A mule that has been painted o look like a ZEBRA IS STILL A MULE.

[dawgcasa]

From The Los Angeles Times this morning...



The author is still hung up on "Swiss Army Knife," but even he is acknowledging that the law may, in fact, be on our side.

You gotta wonder what 'new' law he thinks will obviate it... or so my cynical thinking goes.

[curtisfong]

They use "military cartridge", "military rifle", "military whatever" because it sounds scary to the ignorant masses. No clarity of description at all. SIMPLY FOR INSTILLING FEAR. And swaying ignorant opinions

Why is it used here

more powerful than typical military handgun calibers such as 9mm or 38SP,

And why is it preceded by "typical"? Because that implies typical *only in the military* or *only interesting because it is used by the military*. Why else phrase it that way?

If he meant "typical" as a whole, the word "military" has even less meaning in that context, since it is purely a historical (and entirely irrelevant) footnote.

Once again, what are the motives behind using both "typical" and "military" in the same phrase?

What can we conclude about somebody who chooses that phrasing, along with constructing novel reasons for a pistol grip, especially at a time when the DoJ would be well served to completely fabricate homicidal motives for "needing" a pistol grip right about now?

[curtisfong]

assault weapon

Rifle. Please don't let them alter your choice of words. Orwell had it right.

Always Use "assault weapon[sic]" and "large capacity magazine[sic]" with both scare quotes and [sic] where possible to show your disdain for their blatant and dishonest revisionism.

Choice of words have meaning. Do not give an inch. You can bet the DoJ will not.

[HibikiR]

The AR15 is only a semi auto firearm without a select fire mechanism and is not an assault weapon rifle

Choose your words more carefully. You're use of "assault weapon" is what the left wants.

[GiveMeMo2A]

Same thing with an M4. You can't own one, but you can own an AR series rifle.

Odd, my gun identifies as an M4, and the BBRAW process required the I list it as an M4 (what it identifies as) on the form. I did not want to, they required it after seeing the pictures. I am so registered with the state.

What's your explanation?

[bigstick61]

M16 used by US MILITARY is a select fire weapon and in all fact is a machine gun and falls under the assault weapon description because of this you have safe, semi, burst, full auto. The AR15 is only a semi auto firearm without a select fire mechanism and is not an assault weapon nor does it meat the standards to be in the classifications as the M16 is in. Therefore I own an ARMORLITE STYLE SEMI AUTO RIFE that does not hold up to the test to be in the same class as the M16 even though they appear to look the same they don't function the same.

The AR-15 was originally select-fire. As little as a few years ago, some of the carbines still in military service had receivers marked "AR-15". The design was modified to make it semi-auto. Certain variants were given military designations by the U.S. military after acceptance into service, such as "M-16", but they are still variants of the AR-15. A lot of the firearms that run afoul of AWBs are basically just select-fire rifle designs modified to be semi-auto only, not there's anything, evil, bad, or wrong with a rifle being select-fire.

[AbrahamBurden]

So as of right now, does the date of the 4th of July still potentially have any meaning for the average Joe on the street? Should CADOJ's request for an emergency stay not be granted before that date, would it be hypothetically legal to pull a grip fin off a featured detachable mag AR after the 4th of July?

[aBrowningfan]

So as of right now, does the date of the 4th of July still potentially have any meaning for the average Joe on the street? Should CADOJ's request for an emergency stay not be granted before that date, would it be hypothetically legal to pull a grip fin off a featured detachable mag AR after the 4th of July?

Monday the 5th is a day off?

IMO, there is 0 probability CA9 denies CADoJ's request for an emergency stay.

[HibikiR]

Monday the 5th is a day off?

IMO, there is 0 probability CA9 denies CADoJ's request for an emergency stay.

The panel responsible for that stay only meet this week I think, the next time they meet is after the Temporary Stay lapses. If they are going to do anything it'll have to be soon.

At least we won't have to wait long for the answer.

[GregW948]

They should be lucky that we don't want mortars, artillery, and armor... seriously... straight up..

[Bruce3]

Miller v. Bonta isn't listed on the schedule for this upcoming 9th circuit court of appeals meeting

https://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/calendar/view.php?hearing=June%20-%20James%20R.%20Browning%20U.S.%20Courthouse,%20San%20Francisco&dates=14-18&year=2021

The panel responsible for that stay only meet this week I think, the next time they meet is after the Temporary Stay lapses. If they are going to do anything it'll have to be soon.

At least we won't have to wait long for the answer.

[HibikiR]

Seriously? We might actually be able to get to July 4th with no Emergency Stay? Benitez is a 4D chess genius!

[abinsinia]

Seriously? We might actually be able to get to July 4th with no Emergency Stay? Benitez is a 4D chess genius!

It's possible, but not likely.