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I'm tempted to pick up a couple of these plates. Not exactly cheap..but light. The problem with most armor is the weight. They weight as much as a tank. These are significantly lighter than most for their rating.
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Last edited by sirgrumps; 06-03-2022, 10:36 AM.?The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not a ?second-class right,? subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees.? ?.. "We know of no other constitutional rights that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need."
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These are only an SRT plate for 5.56. They won't rate a level III for M80 ball protection. You're essentially paying more for less ceramic coverage because they don't use edge to edge strike face. The multi-curve is hexagon tiles, and the single curve model is rectangular/square. The ceramic is SiC and did do a good job of stopping all conventional 5.56 threats.
You can also get them cheaper from one of their resellers if they still float your boat. I believe even "Buffman" is an additional 10% off.
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What I like about these the most is their weight. If I have to wear a steel plate I am gonna be moving so slow and in so much pain I will make an easy target.
They advertise it as being able to stop M80 ball. So the statement above has me a little confused. Here is the pic that says that https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/05...59561652206141
I assume it will stop all handgun and shotgun ammo as well? Is that what they mean by "all lesser threats?"
Would their other plates be a more effective option for handgun and shotgun rounds? If so which is better the III-PS or the III-PA?Last edited by tacticalcity; 06-03-2022, 12:15 AM.Comment
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I have some steel AR500 "Level III+" plates and some NIJ IIIA soft body armor plates, and a slick plate carrier, and was thinking of making a car trunk plate carrier for in casies. Very limited scenario, no time to go back home for real plate carrier and need to get my kids or wife out of some place is all I can really think. Worst case scenario would be facing 5.56.
I have heard that steel is a spall death trap that will make me bleed out if I get hit.
I know I should probably get some Level IV Hescos and replace every 6 months, but I don't have that kind of budget.
So what should I do with my limited budget? Spray some bed liner on the back of the AR500s and then stick them in together?
What order should they go into the carrier to maximize efficacy? I have 1/4 in trauma pad that could fit inside with one of each kind of plate as well.
Should it be Level IIIA to the outside and the III+ on the inside or vice versa?
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?The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not a ?second-class right,? subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees.? ?.. "We know of no other constitutional rights that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need."
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As I understand it, based on reading about 50% of this thread, heat (sitting in a hot car) is the #1 killer of the durability of UWHMPE. So I agree with you that keeping steel III+ plates in the trunk of your car make a lot of sense. You don't have to worry about hot car weakening the steel, even over time.
Getting a dedicated spall guard to place over the plate is the way to "capture" the fragments of the round after it collide with your steel plate. But those plate will deform from the impact. So placing a soft armor behind your steel makes a lot of sense. That will spread the deformation load over a large area and help reduce the trauma of the deformation impact. I don't know (or think) a backing pad will be needed behind the soft armor. That soft plate will also help capture anything that manages to penetrate the hard armor. But since you already have a backing plate, might as well use it.
So the layers, as I understand it, should be outer carrier, Spall guard (usually a bag, so the AR500 would go inside of the spall guard), the AR500, Soft armor, backing plate, inner carrier: assuming your PC can hold all these items.
I am also of the opinion that your carrier, in combo with a spall guard, should eliminate an overwhelming majority of the fragmentation of the round on your steel plate.
Many companies sell spall guards. If you look above in this thread, I asked for sources of spall guards and I think 3 links were listed.
Also, no such thing as dumb questions, as most of use don't work daily with these items, have no experience to rely on, and weren't in the military.Last edited by sirgrumps; 06-04-2022, 12:13 PM.?The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not a ?second-class right,? subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees.? ?.. "We know of no other constitutional rights that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need."
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Last edited by PogoJack; 06-05-2022, 10:33 AM."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. LewisComment
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They used to have an asterisk on that M80 ball infographic to state 1-2 hits. The GT2 is a SRT plate for 5.56 threats. If you look at the test reports, they're seeing 38mm of backface with 5.56 threats. That's approaching the 44mm limit.
Their other level III offerings are pure PE plates and would handle .308 better, but would fail against M855. Shotguns wouldn't be a concern with level III, nor would 95+% of all handgun threats.
When you get into really thin plates you push the limits of stopping higher energy rounds. Here is the test of the GT2
Last edited by Buffman; 06-05-2022, 8:42 PM.Comment
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More ShotStop action today This is their CPL listed Level III (+). The + is for M193 protection NOT M855:
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