80% lower

[ford63man]

Ok so say i put a 80% in a cnc today and NOT hit the button. than i run next door and get into the time machine, i set the machine to bring me back say 2 years, I run over and hit the button on the cnc and than return back to current time and pick up my completed reciever. because i started it 2 years ago, is that legal?

[CSACANNONEER]

Ok so say i put a 80% in a cnc today and NOT hit the button. than i run next door and get into the time machine, i set the machine to bring me back say 2 years, I run over and hit the button on the cnc and than return back to current time and pick up my completed reciever. because i started it 2 years ago, is that legal?

Write to ATF and ask them. They will give you your own personal opinion letter.

[kcstott]

Write to ATF and ask them. They will give you your own personal opinion letter.

I'm still waiting on mine but since i asked such to the point questions I don't expect i'll ever get a answer. I left no wiggle room on my questions.

Ok so say i put a 80% in a cnc today and NOT hit the button. than i run next door and get into the time machine, i set the machine to bring me back say 2 years, I run over and hit the button on the cnc and than return back to current time and pick up my completed reciever. because i started it 2 years ago, is that legal?

Don't work that way.

Two years ago the lower would not be in the machine. you would need to take you and the lower back two years and hit the button.

that said if you did have a time machine it could be put to far better use. like spiking De leone's mothers drink with RU486 or kidnaping his father and giving him a back ally vasectomy.

and I'd do the same for a bunch of other idiots we don't need sucking up good oxygen

[umd]

Ok so say i put a 80% in a cnc today and NOT hit the button. than i run next door and get into the time machine, i set the machine to bring me back say 2 years, I run over and hit the button on the cnc and than return back to current time and pick up my completed reciever. because i started it 2 years ago, is that legal?

Well, when you go back to 2 years ago to hit the button, you wouldn't have put the lower on it yet... so when you get back to the present day, you will just have a really messed up machine that's been milling itself for two years...

[umd]

that said if you did have a time machine it could be put to far better use. like spiking De leone's mothers drink with RU486 or kidnaping his father and giving him a back ally vasectomy.

Make sure to go back far enough to stop prohibition and the drug war... the causes of most of the current dumbass laws.

[kcstott]

Only if the last line of code read

goto N001. For most machines that allows it to repeat.

other wise the machine would just be sitting for two years not running.
and that coolant would stink to high heaven.

Prohibition and Lee Harvey Oswald. with that crap out of the way we would not have 90% of the BS on the books today.

[Gunsmith Dan]

KCSTOTT:

You seem to be very well uninformed about certain laws and legal meanings so let me get those out of the way first.

firearm silencer” and “firearm muffler” mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.

That is the legal definition of a firearm silencer under Federal law and would be charged with a illegal silencer not a illegal suppressor.


OHH btw did you actually look at the link for the press release?????? I do not think the web address for the Sac Bee is www.atf.gov and YES they did mention silencers in there several times, not suppressors. Then of course the top of the press release states it is from the BATF&E so that part should of been obvious right there if you did not know anything about web addresses.

Now on to using machines:

BATF&E has state very clearly and in fact in the letter you posted they also stated very clearly about the use of machines or tools from other persons or businesses, again slow down and read everything to get the entire context before going off half cocked.

Read Paragraph 3 sentence #5

In your case it is your equipment and instruction that results in the manufacturing of a firearm and the ultimate control of the equipment and activity is not with the consumer, but with you

See that part right there in bold ........ had the ultimate control been with the consumer then they would not have gotten the letter. The whole letter talks about that everything that goes on at the business's premise is under the direct control of the business and not the consumer no matter what you allow them to do. Ultimate control is basically the one who can act on it. You lease a office space you have the ultimate control since you are the one with the keys and pay for the use of the space. You rent or borrow a machine that is on property you control then you have the ultimate control since you are the one that can turn it on or off and are the one who can allow or not allow persons to use it while it is on your premises.

Which goes along with other statements made by the BATF&E that you can use any equipment or tool from anyone BUT the work must be done on property that in under the control of the end user (rent, lease or own) and they have never stated it must be in your home only.