Training Method

[JRV]

Lots of jargon but there is still no data to back of your claim.
It all sounds so good and scientific, a great sell.
Until there is data supporting this, it's merely conjecture.

LOL some people are pointless. Virus is a super nInja. Maybe you should do some research on the cadre of CFS instructors and ask yourself why teams guy taught CFS to their teams? Or ask yourself why team active & non active teach CFS? Then question the methodology since its all made up in your opinion.

[JRV]

Virus, to be fair to Mike, there is a fair amount of research into what I like to call the "stress response." Much of it, unfortunately, is anecdotal.

Depending on your level of training, mental preparedness and flexibility, and where you sit in the OODA loop when the SHTF, the physiological response can severely degrade performance. Tunnel vision and auditory exclusion are two common effects.

However, you can train to overcome this. Everyone will suffer a degradation in performance. The higher the level of skill and training, the less performance hit you will have. Sometimes the shooter forgets to breath during SHTF. During a search and assess scan, not only are you looking for additional threats, you are breaking tunnel vision.

That's why we train in counter ambush methodology. Why we talk about a raised acuity in your center of field of vision, distortion of the perception of time and changes in blood flow to the extremities. The body's natural reactions that happen internally. Why we discuss the body's natural reactions that happen externally. Hands coming up to the line of sight of the treat, lowering your center of gravity and orienting towards the threat both physically and emotionally. We also discuss the survival positives to these things. We train for the ambush. What's the worse fight? The one you didn't see coming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMFwZgp8_AU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[ZombieTactics]

Virus, to be fair to Mike, there is a fair amount of research into what I like to call the "stress response." Much of it, unfortunately, is anecdotal. ...

It's also something which is hard to quantify or test scientifically, like the taste of chocolate. We've all had chocolate, now try to describe that to someone who never has.

I have to say that part of the reason I give credence to a lot of information on stress response, tachypsychia, tunnel vision, etc. is because I have experienced it on a few occasions. By way of comparison, I've experienced LOTS of different kinds of very-high-stress-inducing situations, but absolutely nothing compares with the effects of being actually in fear for your life.

I might be more skeptical if this were not the case.

[USM0083]

That's why we train in counter ambush methodology. Why we talk about a raised acuity in your center of field of vision, distortion of the perception of time and changes in blood flow to the extremities. The body's natural reactions that happen internally. Why we discuss the body's natural reactions that happen externally. Hands coming up to the line of sight of the treat, lowering your center of gravity and orienting towards the threat both physically and emotionally. We also discuss the survival positives to these things. We train for the ambush. What's the worse fight? The one you didn't see coming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMFwZ...e_gdata_player

I can agree, to a certain extent, but some of the stuff you teach is of dubious value.

I refer specifically to the video Mike/Firesnake77 posted.

Some of concepts I see in the video make sense (offline drills during reload) but the implementation is terrible, IMO.

The shooters are dancing all over the place doing multiple shots and multiple reloads. I can't see what kind of hits they are getting, but I have trouble seeing the value in this drill (the way it's run.)

The female at the end displays bad stance, grip and trigger control. Since the camera is at her 3:00, we don't don't what she's shooting at or how effective her shots are. Just looking at her muzzle, there is very little trigger control or follow through.

This is my opinion as a professional LE instructor. Take it for what you will...

When I watched that video, I immediately thought about American Defense Enterprises.

[USM0083]

It's also something which is hard to quantify or test scientifically, like the taste of chocolate. We've all had chocolate, now try to describe that to someone who never has.

I have to say that part of the reason I give credence to a lot of information on stress response, tachypsychia, tunnel vision, etc. is because I have experienced it on a few occasions. By way of comparison, I've experienced LOTS of different kinds of very-high-stress-inducing situations, but absolutely nothing compares with the effects of being actually in fear for your life.

I might be more skeptical if this were not the case.

One of the most stressful and fearful times I've ever had was right after 9/11. I was given an MP5 and told to patrol the perimeter. I still can't describe what I was feeling when word came down of the first tower collapsing. Fear, anger, rage, sadness...all at once.

[USM0083]

I did not post a video.
Of course there has been plenty of research into human stress reactions.
I don't doubt that. I doubt there has been any research to back up the claim of the telepathic reload versus the more commonly taught method.

It's always amussing when someone's last resort is name calling.
The few team guys I have trained with did not use the CFS reload.

My apologies, it was Mike/FireSnake77 that posted it Post #85, and I mixed you up with him.

[ZombieTactics]

... When I watched that video, I immediately thought about American Defense Enterprises.

Ooooph! That's just plain mean! The only thing worse would be a reference to Innovative Tactical Concepts in Indiana.

[USM0083]

Ooooph! That's just plain mean! The only thing worse would be a reference to Innovative Tactical Concepts in Indiana.

(Googles Innovative Tactical Concepts)

[JRV]

I can agree, to a certain extent, but some of the stuff you teach is of dubious value.

I refer specifically to the video Mike/Firesnake77 posted.

Some of concepts I see in the video make sense (offline drills during reload) but the implementation is terrible, IMO.

The shooters are dancing all over the place doing multiple shots and multiple reloads. I can't see what kind of hits they are getting, but I have trouble seeing the value in this drill (the way it's run.)

The female at the end displays bad stance, grip and trigger control. Since the camera is at her 3:00, we don't don't what she's shooting at or how effective her shots are. Just looking at her muzzle, there is very little trigger control or follow through.

This is my opinion as a professional LE instructor. Take it for what you will...

When I watched that video, I immediately thought about American Defense Enterprises.

No Offense but I'm not impressed you threw out being a LE instructor. I've had Plenty of LE instructs in my courses.

As far as the video well I didn't post said video.

Thank you for the feedback.

[JRV]

I did not post a video.
Of course there has been plenty of research into human stress reactions.
I don't doubt that. I doubt there has been any research to back up the claim of the telepathic reload versus the more commonly taught method.

It's always amussing when someone's last resort is name calling.
The few team guys I have trained with did not use the CFS reload.

Lol at your use of telepathic reload. Are you mad you realized you don't need to look at the gun to reload it? As far as the guys not training yu to not look at he gun.....I truly am sorry. Would it make you feel better if I gave you said CFS instructors names so you can vet them? LOL

Here's a few links for CFS instructors I know on a personal level and one I happen to be the lead CFS instructor for his company.

J. Miles

http://www.icetraining.us/training_instructors.php

John Brown

http://combatfocusshooting.com/people/john-brown

Omari Broussard

http://combatfocusshooting.com/people/omari-broussard

Since backgrounds are so important to virus. Do you still want to doubt the validity of the program?

[The Virus]

Firesnake77
Did you attend Vehicle Engagement Tactics at TFTT in Jan 2012?

[USM0083]

No Offense but I'm not impressed you threw out being a LE instructor. I've had Plenty of LE instructs in my courses.

As far as the video well I didn't post said video.

Thank you for the feedback.

No offense taken.

[JRV]

On 12/12/02009 I took a Combat Focus Shooting course taught by J. Varner. It was a very cold day with temps in the 30’s with the ground frozen. *We had a small class of only 6 students, which I liked because I never felt as is if Jeff Varner was too far away and had a good handle on things. *
I have been to many shooting courses taught by nationally known instructors and during this course I was not disappointed. *I appreciated how the class was geared to the reality of a sudden in your face gun fight. *I have been a student of armed conflict all of my life and have been in some kind of uniform carrying a firearm to defend my country and community for over 21 years and it is very hard to train the mind and body to respond to sudden violence outside of it’s natural tendencies from the autonomic nervous system (ANS). *This class takes this into mind and works with the body’s response to gain the maximum advantage of the ANS response so that you can effectively respond with the tools at hand to a lethal threat. *I also liked the fact that the class was not as concerned with making small little groups on paper, that hits in the upper thoracic cavity were acceptable. * This class was designed for street gun fighting.
J. Varner was a good instructor and had a good grasp of the materiel he was teaching, although at times he was a little too fast while he was talking. *J. Varner was enthusiastic and held the classes attention throughout the day, even in such tough weather conditions. * The class had wide range in terms of shooting experience and weapon systems and J. Varner held a safe class, considering the high tempo of drills we participated in.
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At the end of the class we held a debrief, which I felt was good because some of the drills and the mindset behind them needed to be reinforced. *I had a good time and feel that my gunfight skills have been improved. *I plan on taking another course and bringing my wife along next time as well.
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Officer T.
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Officer T is currently a 14 year police veteran in the patrol division, serving on his department’s tactical team and is also a firearms instructor. *He is also a combat veteran of the US Army, where he served in the Infantry.

[ramzar]

Seemingly, CFS wants to keep their eyes on the threat at all times and perform any necessary weapon manipulation in compressed ready. So, chamber check is done only by feel? What about malfunctions that are not fixed by the tap/rack/assess diagnostic? On reload how do you navigate the spare magazine across heavy clothing and combat gear?

[elSquid]

Do I know every gnfight and more importantly seen empirical evidence to verify what really happened. But I have seen empirical evidence of guns getting smashed off people's head and faces with multiple attackers.

So basically there is no real world data about people having guns bounced off of their head during reloads while in actual gunfights. Check.

More important is tachypsychia and negative effect of looking at a gun during a reload.

Ok, so how did CFS test this assertion out? How did they set up their experiments to compare reloading methodologies?

-- Michael