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[NorthBay Shooter]

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L = Late
P = Procedural

LL would indicate both shots were late
LP = 1st late, 2nd had a procedural
Etc
For scoring on this test you're only docked for either the Late or the Procedural, never both.
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Jedi, was it always like this. I thought I remembered that you could be both late and wrong on the malfunctions. In the same way you can be late and shoot a miss on the target?

It could be my flawed memory though.

[Jedi54]

For the 4DDHG it's only one or the other for scoring purposes.
When you get to Master Prep, different story.

I was on Paul Beaunex's range and heard him talking to a new Line Coach and he said, "just watch for procedurals. If they did it wrong they're probably also late so just hit him for whatever you see first.

[cjbruin]

Jedi, was it always like this. I thought I remembered that you could be both late and wrong on the malfunctions. In the same way you can be late and shoot a miss on the target?

It could be my flawed memory though.

It's been that way for at least 5 years though I had one overly-zealous guy ding me for both. I didn't bother arguing because I wouldn't have DG'd anyway.

[rodralig]

Jedi, was it always like this. I thought I remembered that you could be both late and wrong on the malfunctions. In the same way you can be late and shoot a miss on the target?

It could be my flawed memory though.

What are you worried about??? You'd DG the 4DDHG test anytime of the day, any day of the week...

Happy Tuesday!!!


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[dad4mnc]

[Jedi54]

congrats to your daughter and for you getting your DG again.
Tac HG in Jan will be cold so this weekend was good practice for that.

[NorthBay Shooter]

What are you worried about??? You'd DG the 4DDHG test anytime of the day, any day of the week...

Happy Tuesday!!!


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Rod, it was not about me. I DG'd a long time ago. I was just trying to remember correctly. On my very first trip back in 2012, I just G'ed the 4Dday. I went back later in the year for a skill builder. I shot really good and I remember thinking, before the type 3 malfunctions, that I would just take my time and do it perfect so I would only lose points for being late. The funny thing was, that once I took the pressure off, I smoked them and got the DG. I never thought about it again until these previous posts. I guess I was wrong way back then. It sucks to get old...LOL.

The time after that, I was almost cheating. I took my M&P. That gun would auto-forward when you slammed in a mag. I never had to touch the slide release during that whole class.. Much easier to do a emergency reload or type 3 when the gun racks itself.

[beanz2]

[NorthBay Shooter]

Beanz2,
my daughter is 17 and my son 14. They both shoot my 10/22 lights out. Within 5 rounds they were both x ring at 25 yards using the stock iron sights. My daughter can draw, shoot and re-holster safely, but does not have the hand strength to rack the slide on any of my striker fired guns efficiently. She also needs the uplula to load mags. I don't think she could load mags while standing as a coach on the line. She would need to go back to the chairs. Either that or I would have to load a lot of mags..LOL.

That being said, she bugs me about every two months to go to FS. I think I might just do a private with her and I to replicate the 2 day HG and see where it goes.

[AR15fan]

Beanz2,
my daughter is 17 and my son 14. They both shoot my 10/22 lights out. Within 5 rounds they were both x ring at 25 yards using the stock iron sights. My daughter can draw, shoot and re-holster safely, but does not have the hand strength to rack the slide on any of my striker fired guns efficiently. She also needs the uplula to load mags. I don't think she could load mags while standing as a coach on the line. She would need to go back to the chairs. Either that or I would have to load a lot of mags..LOL.

That being said, she bugs me about every two months to go to FS. I think I might just do a private with her and I to replicate the 2 day HG and see where it goes.

I bet within a few tries she will be able to rack the slide effectively. I took my 16 year old daughter and she excelled quickly.

[mej16489]

FS is not immune from having students with poor weapons handling or judgement, but given the amount of students they have annually, they're pretty safe overall. I've experienced a few (I've probably forgotten a few):

- A guy next to me on the line was holstering his Hi-Power and the hammer fell

- A guy next to my buddy ND'd 5-6 ft in front of himself while on the line.

- There was a student who was like 80 years old and slow as molasses. The guy was a trooper and did not quit. You know that setting up certain malfunctions require Glock shooters trip their triggers. And you know that during the test, malfunctions are repeated a couple of times. During the test that guy was so slow, that when the line was setting up for the second repetition of a malfunction test, he was just completing the first one. Right after the instruction announced "Glock shooters, trip your triggers", the guy just finished the clearance by chambering a round. I thought he was going to ND by tripping the trigger. I alerted the RM.

- During an advanced rifle class, a student while performing a drill, turned and flagged everybody with a loaded rifle leveled at all of us.

- In another adv rifle class, while performing a drill in the supine, I flagged my leg with a pistol. The instructor said it happens in real life, no big deal.

- In another adv rifle class, I tripped retreating backwards and flagged the instructor downrange (that's what he told me.) I never forgot that one. From then on, when retreating backwards, I perform a 180 periodically while moving with the weapon in sul to check where I'm going. (I actually received applause from other students when doing that once. I didn't know what the hell they were clapping for until somebody told me much later.)

- Seeing the firetruck and medivac coming in is a sure sign somebody eff'd up.

And there are the instances of property damage, but I won't mention those.

I will add my two cents...absolutely no one is immune from the AD/ND or doing something dangerous. Loaded guns are dangerous. All the rules and procedures are great to help mitigate the possibility of doing something where someone gets hurt.

If you have been around guns long enough you are essentially guaranteed to have an unintentional discharge. I've personally had 3 in 45 years of shooting regularly. By benefit of training (and perhaps even dumb luck) the muzzle was always pointed in a safe direction and no on was ever physically hurt.

Its pretty much like riding a motorcycle - there are those who have already gone down, and those who will go down (or down again)

[cjbruin]

Beanz2,
my daughter is 17 and my son 14. They both shoot my 10/22 lights out. Within 5 rounds they were both x ring at 25 yards using the stock iron sights. My daughter can draw, shoot and re-holster safely, but does not have the hand strength to rack the slide on any of my striker fired guns efficiently. She also needs the uplula to load mags. I don't think she could load mags while standing as a coach on the line. She would need to go back to the chairs. Either that or I would have to load a lot of mags..LOL.

That being said, she bugs me about every two months to go to FS. I think I might just do a private with her and I to replicate the 2 day HG and see where it goes.

My wife had a tad of difficulty for the first couple of days. Through repetition, it became easier. They have plenty of strength.

[Divehobo]

Took my 13 yr old daughter a few years ago. We rented gear from FS figuring recoil spring on 4" XD that had seen thousands of rounds would be way easier to rack than her 5"XD tactical. Worked out just as I hoped and she had no issues during the two day private with fighting the slide.

Private booked for end of March with my 13 yr old son. He will have same issue with slide and I'll probably rent gear for him from FS again.

[DRM6000]

I will add my two cents...absolutely no one is immune from the AD/ND or doing something dangerous. Loaded guns are dangerous. All the rules and procedures are great to help mitigate the possibility of doing something where someone gets hurt.

If you have been around guns long enough you are essentially guaranteed to have an unintentional discharge. I've personally had 3 in 45 years of shooting regularly. By benefit of training (and perhaps even dumb luck) the muzzle was always pointed in a safe direction and no on was ever physically hurt.

Its pretty much like riding a motorcycle - there are those who have already gone down, and those who will go down (or down again)

I think it was back in 2008, somebody ND'd in the parking lot at the end of the day and somebody was hit in the leg. The person hit was not seriously hurt. The round must have lost a lot of energy after it hit the ground. The shooter didn't stick around because security and staff spoke to me in the lot the next morning. I guess the person drove a similar vehicle.

[acegunnr]

Jedi, was it always like this. I thought I remembered that you could be both late and wrong on the malfunctions. In the same way you can be late and shoot a miss on the target?

It could be my flawed memory though.

For the shooting portion, the saying is "If you're Late, make it Great!" or don't miss so you don't get docked for both.

Malfunctions -you will only get docked for one, not both (late or procedural).