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  • kramynot
    Member
    • Jul 2007
    • 258

    Weather can definitely fluctuate out there during early Fall. My coldest FS class was toward end of Oct. On day 4 when I drove up to the gate, it was 19 deg.

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    • Jedi54
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2013
      • 1012

      no such thing as bad weather, just bad gear.

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      • Muzz
        Member
        • Jan 2004
        • 202

        Originally posted by Ronin75
        Anybody been to frontsite the end of Sept, I’m trying to attend a rifle class before my out of state hunt, however I don’t want to be in in 100 degree heat. Any info would be helpful
        I found the best thing for hot ranges. Cool Ties. I had a 4 day shotgun class last September and that wet thing around my neck made a world of difference.

        Cool Ties. You soak them in water until they swell up. Wrap them around your neck, tie them like a loose neckerchief and you’re good and cool for hours. You’ll wonder how you got along with out it. You can re-wet them periodically if needed.

        Cooltiesareus dot com

        I am not affiliated.

        Edit: The ones I have are Kool Ties, with a K. Kooltie dot com. Still not affiliated.
        Last edited by Muzz; 06-19-2021, 4:59 PM.

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        • MajorCaliber
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2014
          • 1018

          Does anybody have any thoughts/experience on the use of pistol RDS or green laser for handgun training and testing at FS? Are there any rules against it or downsides?
          I wish today's liberals could understand: You cannot be generous by giving away other peoples' money and you cannot demonstrate your virtue by your willingness to give up other peoples' rights.

          The more time I spend on this forum, the more sense kcbrown makes.

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          • AR15fan
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            • Nov 2008
            • 628

            Originally posted by MajorCaliber
            Does anybody have any thoughts/experience on the use of pistol RDS or green laser for handgun training and testing at FS? Are there any rules against it or downsides?

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            • DRM6000
              CGN Contributor
              • Jan 2006
              • 5454

              Originally posted by MajorCaliber
              Does anybody have any thoughts/experience on the use of pistol RDS or green laser for handgun training and testing at FS? Are there any rules against it or downsides?
              I know you can't make Handgun Combat Master with a RDS. It's against the rules. That's the only restriction of RDSs that I know of.

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              • MajorCaliber
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2014
                • 1018

                Originally posted by DRM6000
                I know you can't make Handgun Combat Master with a RDS. It's against the rules. That's the only restriction of RDSs that I know of.
                That's interesting. Thank you. I did not see these rules anywhere on their site. Are they published anywhere?
                I wish today's liberals could understand: You cannot be generous by giving away other peoples' money and you cannot demonstrate your virtue by your willingness to give up other peoples' rights.

                The more time I spend on this forum, the more sense kcbrown makes.

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                • DRM6000
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 5454

                  Originally posted by MajorCaliber
                  That's interesting. Thank you. I did not see these rules anywhere on their site. Are they published anywhere?
                  You get a copy when you take the class.

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                  • rodralig
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Apr 2016
                    • 4262

                    Originally posted by MajorCaliber
                    That's interesting. Thank you. I did not see these rules anywhere on their site. Are they published anywhere?
                    Originally posted by DRM6000
                    You get a copy when you take the class.
                    Here is my copy...



                    Albeit, I still have to take the HCMP class... COVID19 got in the way.


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                    WEGC - Shooting at 10-yards VS 20-yards - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7mdbNZ4j9U

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                    • MajorCaliber
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2014
                      • 1018

                      Originally posted by rodralig
                      Here is my copy...



                      Albeit, I still have to take the HCMP class... COVID19 got in the way

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                      Thanks for that, I see lasers are banned also.
                      I wish today's liberals could understand: You cannot be generous by giving away other peoples' money and you cannot demonstrate your virtue by your willingness to give up other peoples' rights.

                      The more time I spend on this forum, the more sense kcbrown makes.

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                      • rodralig
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Apr 2016
                        • 4262

                        Originally posted by MajorCaliber
                        Thanks for that, I see lasers are banned also.
                        Yup!

                        For all intents and purposes - the setup should be stock.

                        Even competition ammo like Federal Syntech is prohibited (was mentioned by HCM/FS staff in a FB group that I am a member of)...



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                        WEGC - Shooting at 10-yards VS 20-yards - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7mdbNZ4j9U

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                        • MajorCaliber
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2014
                          • 1018

                          Originally posted by rodralig
                          Yup!

                          For all intents and purposes - the setup should be stock.

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                          I wonder what the logic is. RDS or laser seem like completely valid carry options, and for those people who shoot better using those systems, why would you not encourage people to train and test with their most effective carry option?
                          I wish today's liberals could understand: You cannot be generous by giving away other peoples' money and you cannot demonstrate your virtue by your willingness to give up other peoples' rights.

                          The more time I spend on this forum, the more sense kcbrown makes.

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                          • rodralig
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Apr 2016
                            • 4262

                            Originally posted by MajorCaliber
                            I wonder what the logic is. RDS or laser seem like completely valid carry options, and for those people who shoot better using those systems, why would you not encourage people to train and test with their most effective carry option?
                            I also asked the question of the ammo constraint... The response I got then was that what you will be using in a tactical/defensive situation. Me thinks - if that were the case, why do we shoot with FMJ instead of +Ps then...

                            In the end - their shop, their rules... Although I would believe that the observation that the test takes care of itself... The test is really difficult that any "mods," etc. is not enough to give a sufficient advantage to pass the test.


                            Hence, to be more precise - you can shoot the test with an RDS. It is just that your score will NOT count if you did have less than a down 40. The recommendation then was to take the test with an RDS and see for one's self how difficult the test would be, even with a red dot.



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                            WEGC - Shooting at 10-yards VS 20-yards - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7mdbNZ4j9U

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                            • MajorCaliber
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2014
                              • 1018

                              Originally posted by rodralig
                              I also asked the question of the ammo constraint... The response I got then was that what you will be using in a tactical/defensive situation. Me thinks - if that were the case, why do we shoot with FMJ instead of +Ps then...
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                              Well, of course that's the point I would make to them. If I'm going to carry an RDS or a laser then why not train and test with it? I have not made any decisions regarding either system, but I'm leaning toward an RDS. My feeling is that certificates of achievement and passing tests have no real practical value to me, just nice things for my ego. If I have to choose between training how I carry which would be the most useful, and getting a certificate and a ranking, I'm going to favor the most effective training.
                              I wish today's liberals could understand: You cannot be generous by giving away other peoples' money and you cannot demonstrate your virtue by your willingness to give up other peoples' rights.

                              The more time I spend on this forum, the more sense kcbrown makes.

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                              • AR15fan
                                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 628

                                Originally posted by MajorCaliber
                                Well, of course that's the point I would make to them. If I'm going to carry an RDS or a laser then why not train and test with it? I have not made any decisions regarding either system, but I'm leaning toward an RDS. My feeling is that certificates of achievement and passing tests have no real practical value to me, just nice things for my ego. If I have to choose between training how I carry which would be the most useful, and getting a certificate and a ranking, I'm going to favor the most effective training.

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