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[surferbum]

Iggy called me!

Heard him for the first time on the bankruptcy telephone call. He said that he comes to Front Sight only a handful of days a year. Never seen him there and now I know why! Absentee owner. He had many "I don't know" moments on the multi hours call. And he's the sole owner. Brad A. is the Op manager and he's only there a percentage of the time.

What did he ask you on your call or did you have to sign an NDA?


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[exnds]

How many more “Iggy” numbers do I have to block? The list is getting very long.

[Mezcalfud]

I got a robo call/vm. I don't rate a real call. I blocked that number too.

[Doctor_Chicago]

I'm thinking there might be some kind of deadline with regards to the BK. I've had quite a few emails yesterday and today of the yes or no variety.

He has to file his Detailed Chapter 11 plan Friday August 26th, 2022. After it was delayed from August 4th, 2022.

[Doctor_Chicago]

Does anyone have a link or copy of the list of insecured creditors (eg members)?

I listened to the June 23rd meeting for the creditors but this didn't help me.


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There were 275 Unsecured Creditors that filed a Proof of Claim. There was a list of approximately 3,000 Names Front Sight Submitted in Total.

I have the Lists, but for what purpose are you inquiring about? If you are looking for your name - PM me and I can help. I will check this site periodically as time allows.

[surferbum]

There were 275 Unsecured Creditors that filed a Proof of Claim. There was a list of approximately 3,000 Names Front Sight Submitted in Total.

I have the Lists, but for what purpose are you inquiring about? If you are looking for your name - PM me and I can help. I will check this site periodically as time allows.

Sent a PM.


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[exnds]

Just for laughs I tried signing up for the next free 4DDHG course. The course is still free but with $450 in fees. What a joke.

[Citizen_B]

I wonder if you have to pay the $500/year fee if you sign up for a class right now and later Iggy implements the fee. I'm guessing no courtesy in that situation.

I'm trying to setup a group trip in Oct with a bunch of new shooters. There's no way they (and I) will pay that $500/year fee. The uncertainly of this fee schedule is making it so we don't know if we'll book anything.

[beanz2]

I don't think that $500 HOH/$100 non-HOH is implemented yet and I would venture a guess that would, if it ever gets implemented, start on January 1st, just like their background checks. So, one would be very wise to schedule a class before the end of the year.

Yea, I have a bad feeling the "No" voters may get into some sort of persona-non-grata status, so I will withhold my vote. I am sure I am not the only FS student that feels this way. OTOH, if most of the potential no-voters refrain from voting, and only yes-voters vote, IP will likely get a very lopsided result on his survey.

Do you guys recall that one of the earliest proposals when he first announced the Restructuring in January 2021, he did want to charge $500 yearly fee?

[Citizen_B]

I looked back at the emails and the first time Iggy mentions the $100/day being implemented is in his "Big News" email sent on May 24. It's stated there that the fee begins on June 1. So that was a 1 week heads up notice. I think people who booked a class before that May 24 email for a class after June 1 had to pay the $100/day or their class was canceled. I'm concerned the same thing will happen with this new fee if it's implemented.

[ARFrog]

I'm not sure that the word "survey" in this instance is entirely accurate. It seems more like what would be called a "push poll":

"push poll
noun
an ostensible opinion poll in which the true objective is to sway voters using loaded or manipulative questions." (- or fear.)

In this case towards a predetermined outcome...

[SWalt]

He has to file his Detailed Chapter 11 plan Friday August 26th, 2022. After it was delayed from August 4th, 2022.

Bankruptcy isn't even approved but yet he is charging people to take "free life time courses". I wonder how that works?

[TeamAllen]

All I knew was I wasn't going to take the yes route, so I decided to take a stand and vote NO.
Let the chips fall where they may

[NorthBay Shooter]

I think the plan is for him to say, I have x number of members committed at 500/year. On average they take x training days per year at 100/day. That means I have x in committed revenue. It's a way for him to try and exit BK with a plan to continue operations and develop a payback schedule for creditors. Until he can find someone to buy it or invest rather than being forced to sell it now or take an investor he doesn't want. I personally don't think the place makes it past Q2 2023.

There is no way I would pay the 500/yr membership fee on top of the 100/day for classes.

My guess if nobody buys them, the county takes it and operates it as a public range with a management company running it and renting bays to other training companies.

If they had the necessary equipment they could run competitive events, like USPSA, IDPA, etc. They could do training for LE and others. They are big enough to hold national events there.

[beanz2]

I think the plan is for him to say, I have x number of members committed at 500/year. On average they take x training days per year at 100/day. That means I have x in committed revenue. It's a way for him to try and exit BK with a plan to continue operations and develop a payback schedule for creditors. Until he can find someone to buy it or invest rather than being forced to sell it now or take an investor he doesn't want. I personally don't think the place makes it past Q2 2023.

There is no way I would pay the 500/yr membership fee on top of the 100/day for classes.

I agree. I decided I just will not vote Yes or No. A Yes will be used to his advantage to perpetuate the model, now with the added $500 head and $100 per household member income. A No will likely get you banned or a likely be treated as a non-Gold Status member red-headed stepchild.

My guess if nobody buys them, the county takes it and operates it as a public range with a management company running it and renting bays to other training companies.

If they had the necessary equipment they could run competitive events, like USPSA, IDPA, etc. They could do training for LE and others. They are big enough to hold national events there.

That wouldn't be so bad. Maybe a traveling school like Thunder Ranch without the Oregon frangible ammo requirement.

So I will not respond to the survey.