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  • dwightlooi
    Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 460

    How many of you actually use a factory crimp die? I don't but some have warned that shooting a semi-auto may push the bullet in enough to cause unsafe pressures.
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    • philc
      Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 480

      Not 100% sure, but don't think the crimp die will change the pressure unless your crimp is also reseating the bullet.
      United Sportsmen Range Safety Officer
      (Volunteer)

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      • arrowshooter
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2013
        • 724

        Originally posted by philc
        Not 100% sure, but don't think the crimp die will change the pressure unless your crimp is also reseating the bullet.
        I believe he is concerned about bullet set-back during firing which will raise pressure.

        I use the LFCD on every round that I load. If you are talking about semi-auto pistol, I have learned that you only want to set the die to push the flair back in and not to actually crimp. The neck tension should be enough to hold bullet in place without any set-back.

        For semi-auto rifle, you want to apply about a medium crimp to avoid possible set-back issues in those rounds.

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        • Nuuze
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2007
          • 1090

          Do ranges allow you to use Chronographs? I been thinking of getting one but would be kind of useless if not allowed. Thanks!

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          • Eljay
            Veteran Member
            • Oct 2005
            • 4985

            Outdoor ranges typically yes during the cease fire you set it up. Indoor ranges typically no. If you get an expensive lab radar one probably it would work anywhere.

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            • philc
              Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 480

              Originally posted by arrowshooter
              I believe he is concerned about bullet set-back during firing which will raise pressure..
              Glad I subscribed to this thread. The learning never ends.
              United Sportsmen Range Safety Officer
              (Volunteer)

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              • Nuuze
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2007
                • 1090

                Originally posted by Eljay
                Outdoor ranges typically yes during the cease fire you set it up. Indoor ranges typically no. If you get an expensive lab radar one probably it would work anywhere.
                Okay, cool. I was thinking of something like this one.

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                • tonyjr
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2015
                  • 1448

                  I use all 5 stations on my Lee .
                  I crimp mainly semi auto pistol , but also do the 30 M 1 carbine and 270 W .
                  I set my crimp so there is no flare on case . By that I mean I run my finger over where shell meets cartridge . A slight step down from case .
                  On the rifle cases - kind of a like a dent .
                  Do the check with factory ammo and see what it feels like .
                  Crimping is like salt - everyone like a different amount .
                  life member - CRPA and NRA
                  All ways listen - after you can say I new that

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                  • dwightlooi
                    Member
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 460

                    Originally posted by tonyjr
                    I use all 5 stations on my Lee .
                    I crimp mainly semi auto pistol , but also do the 30 M 1 carbine and 270 W .
                    I set my crimp so there is no flare on case . By that I mean I run my finger over where shell meets cartridge . A slight step down from case .
                    On the rifle cases - kind of a like a dent .
                    Do the check with factory ammo and see what it feels like .
                    Crimping is like salt - everyone like a different amount .
                    I actually HAVE the crimp die. The problem is that I am using a single stage Lee Handpress (if you have a bench mounted single stage press it doesn't actua;y change nature of the problem). I actually have two of those Handpresses. I have the resizing die on one, the seating die on another. I generally don't unscrew the dies unless I am changing calibers. I am actually thinking about buying additional presses so I can have one press for every die I own; they are dirt cheap.

                    My concern is two fold... one being that during chambering it is not uncommon for the nose to slam against the ramp on the wat into the chamber. The crimp prevents the bullet from being pushed in during the chambering event. Another thing (albeit less of a concern with practice pistol ammo than with precision rifle ammo) is that neck tension very slightly increases resistance to the bullet moving forward during the initial phase of igniting the cartridge. More resistance = more chamber pressure. More importantly, consistent resistance = consistent initial chamber pressure and hence lower velocity spreads.
                    Last edited by dwightlooi; 11-10-2016, 10:26 PM.

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                    • tonyjr
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2015
                      • 1448

                      dwightlooi
                      This is one of the reasons I use all 5 stations . Not a big believer in 2 or 3 die set ups .
                      Same with priming on a press - deprime , clean [ kind of inspect ] reprime and finger test depth .
                      Seating , OAL and crimping all at once - no thank you .
                      life member - CRPA and NRA
                      All ways listen - after you can say I new that

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                      • Nuuze
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 1090

                        Getting the hang of this reloading thing.

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                        • 357manny
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2016
                          • 1676

                          Originally posted by Nuuze
                          Getting the hang of this reloading thing.



                          Looking good!
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                          • Nuuze
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 1090

                            Thanks!

                            For those interested. Sportsman Warehouse recently opened up in Fairfield. They have quite a bit of reloading gear including reloaded, wet/dry tumblers and dies. Not the best prices but at least no shipping or hazmat fees. For me its across the highway.



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                            • XDJYo
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 6883

                              Originally posted by Nuuze
                              Thanks!

                              For those interested. Sportsman Warehouse recently opened up in Fairfield. They have quite a bit of reloading gear including reloaded, wet/dry tumblers and dies. Not the best prices but at least no shipping or hazmat fees. For me its across the highway.





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                              • Varg Vikernes
                                Veteran Member
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 2831

                                Anyone know where in the greater Bay Area to go buy reloading components? Other than that Sportsman Warehouse post up there.

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