22-250

[rplaw]

When we hunted Santa Cruz island for sheep from 1983 they closed we used 22-250s. Little meat damage good long range kills, Wide open country. No trees or brush on east end. We put solar on there for the Owens who were the guides . The hogs were smaller and inbred than their ca counterparts. Big hog was 75 pounds

You were able to do that? Talk about being one lucky son...

I think I hate you.



22-250 is small but some (most?) states allow it for deer. Ca doesn't but some do. I don't know that I'd go after a hog with it though, it might not penetrate well enough for a clean kill. I'd think 6mm would be minimum for hog. .243, 25.06, that sort of thing.

[rplaw]

Actually this thread was started to proliferate the fallacies and non sense of a delusional fan of the 22-250.

Delusion is in the words of the guy who makes things up about what others have said. You've done that a lot in this thread so far.


As for me, I like the 22-250. It appears that you don't so it doesn't seem as if you have much to contribute to this thread about a caliber you don't like.

[kcstott]

Delusion is in the words of the guy who makes things up about what others have said. You've done that a lot in this thread so far.


As for me, I like the 22-250. It appears that you don't so it doesn't seem as if you have much to contribute to this thread about a caliber you don't like.

I have nothing against the 22-250, I simply do not suffer fools and I call out rubbish when i see it.
Just go back and correct the false statements you made. it's that simple.

[RNE228]

Caliber or cartridge?

US has used multiple 308 caliber cartridges, as well as other cartridges in other calibers (like Hathcock mounting his scope on Ma Duece in 50BMG).

The US prefers .308 but the rest of the world isn't wedded to only 1 caliber.

[Switchbarrel]

As for rifles; the 6XC is a better round than the newfangled 6 dasher (which is supposedly better than either Creedmore caliber). Right now the dasher is being touted as "the cartridge of the future" merely because some numbnutz shooting team player says so and the herd follows along swiping plastic and accruing credit card debt for what is really an inferior round.

I'm not sure where you're getting your information from. I'm pretty sure the "newfangled" Dasher has been around longer than the 6XC (~1999 vs. 2004-ish). Both just kids compared to the .22-250 though.

I have a .22-250 myself, so I'm no hater. I bought it used with brass, many years ago thinking I would turn it into a 6-250. Still have the rifle with the original .22 cal varmint barrel on it. I will say, if long range is what you want to do, I would grab one of my Dasher's EVERY SINGLE TIME before I'd grab the .22-250.

I think a fast twist (1-8") .22-250 shooting 69-75 gr. bullets could be fun but, it won't do anything a fast twist Dasher/BRA won't do except wear out throats faster. Compare 70-80 grain bullets in both. Velocities are very similar. Ballistics are much better when you step the Dasher up to 103-107 gr. bullets moving at ~2950-3000 fps (I'm doing 3030 fps in mine)


Not tooting my own horn here by any means, just using actual facts, not conjecture, to back up what I'm about to say below.

No idea what "numbnutz" you're talking about but...

Scroll down to "Highest 3 target score", my light-gun record with a Dasher, set in 2012, still stands. There's been a lot of groups shot in competition since then.

https://www.nbrsa.org/disciplines/1000yd/1000-yard-world-records/

Scroll down to 2014, I won the Nationals shooting two Dasher's in both light and heavy guns.

https://www.nbrsa.org/disciplines/1000yd/1000yd-national-champions/

I've set a couple other records that have since been beaten, once by another Dasher and now I think probably the 6 BR-A. The 6 BR-A is one of the newer hot tickets in Long range benchrest competition. A discipline where both precision and accuracy matter.

Enjoy whatever you end up with.

-Rick

[kcstott]

I have a .22-250 myself, so I'm no hater. I bought it used with brass, many years ago thinking I would turn it into a 6-250.

That idea you had about a 6-250 is exactly what a 6xc is. The 6 Dasher is a hell of a round but has a hard time in 1000 yard. the 6XC is a better round for 1000 yard but even it is getting blown around by the wind compared to the 7mm's

[rplaw]

I'm not sure where you're getting your information from. I'm pretty sure the "newfangled" Dasher has been around longer than the 6XC (~1999 vs. 2004-ish). Both just kids compared to the .22-250 though.

I have a .22-250 myself, so I'm no hater. I bought it used with brass, many years ago thinking I would turn it into a 6-250. Still have the rifle with the original .22 cal varmint barrel on it. I will say, if long range is what you want to do, I would grab one of my Dasher's EVERY SINGLE TIME before I'd grab the .22-250.

I think a fast twist (1-8") .22-250 shooting 69-75 gr. bullets could be fun but, it won't do anything a fast twist Dasher/BRA won't do except wear out throats faster. Compare 70-80 grain bullets in both. Velocities are very similar. Ballistics are much better when you step the Dasher up to 103-107 gr. bullets moving at ~2950-3000 fps (I'm doing 3030 fps in mine)


Not tooting my own horn here by any means, just using actual facts, not conjecture, to back up what I'm about to say below.

No idea what "numbnutz" you're talking about but...

Scroll down to "Highest 3 target score", my light-gun record with a Dasher, set in 2012, still stands. There's been a lot of groups shot in competition since then.

https://www.nbrsa.org/disciplines/1000yd/1000-yard-world-records/

Scroll down to 2014, I won the Nationals shooting two Dasher's in both light and heavy guns.

https://www.nbrsa.org/disciplines/1000yd/1000yd-national-champions/

I've set a couple other records that have since been beaten, once by another Dasher and now I think probably the 6 BR-A. The 6 BR-A is one of the newer hot tickets in Long range benchrest competition. A discipline where both precision and accuracy matter.

Enjoy whatever you end up with.

-Rick

Thank you for the information. It's helpful. Especially if I was looking to compete. Unfortunately I'm not looking to get into competition. If I was, I'd be following in your footsteps and taking the advice to move up in caliber. You obviously can shoot so the knowledge you have is valuable for someone trying to do the same. I'm not that someone and I never professed to be.


I keep wondering why no one is asking why I'd choose something like the 22-250 instead of one of the more popular calibers. Which is basically the same question about why do people create wildcats. Yet no one even seemed to consider it.

The answer is that what I'm interested in isn't trying to just do what everyone else does, it's about walking a different path than the average Joe. To explore boundaries and be myself instead of a clone. Or worse, a robot.

Physically I'm limited by the amount of recoil my body can take so, while I'd love a rifle that can really reach out and touch something, mid to larger rifle calibers have been out of the realm of feasibility for me since the 1990's. And if all I wanted to do is shoot on the cheap cheap cheap, .22LR is probably the best option. Or take up archery. Or golf.

So, for my purposes, what I want to do is more than just shooting or hanging out or winning trophies or whatever. It's about being me and following my own trail in life in my own way at my own speed whatever that requires even if no one else thinks I'm going to get anywhere. This thread was supposed to help me do that. It was supposed to be about camaraderie and talking about building a rifle in a specific caliber to see what I could do with it.

That never happened. What happened was someone thinking that I had to be like them and that I had to shoot what they shoot and any desire to do anything else means I'm stupid and trying to con everyone. Yet all I was trying to do was start a conversation and see what is feasible for me.




In the end, the intended objective has been shelved. Whether that's permanent or temporary depends a lot on what happens in the future.

[ar15barrels]

I'm kind of an old skool guy. Comparing .223/5.56 and 22-250 I've rediscovered something I already knew, that 22-250 is a better cartridge ballistically. It shoots flatter and carries more energy downrange within its effective envelope.

It was even the preferred sniper round way back when because of how stable it is.

So why is 22-250 fading in popularity? Is it just because .223/5.56 was adopted for military use? Or the fact that it burns out barrels because no one uses the correct twist? What?

22-250 was always a varmint cartridge so 22-250 was developed with slow twist barrels to shoot very lightweight bullets.

Therefore, 22-250 is not a popular target cartridge because target shooters often want to shoot longer range.

I have rebarrelled 22-250's with fast twist barrels and they shoot wonderfully.
There are no factory ammo with heavy bullets because there are no factory guns but as long as you reload, you can make the 22-250 into a wonderful longrange target rifle.

[kcstott]

Thank you for the information. It's helpful. Especially if I was looking to compete. Unfortunately I'm not looking to get into competition. If I was, I'd be following in your footsteps and taking the advice to move up in caliber. You obviously can shoot so the knowledge you have is valuable for someone trying to do the same. I'm not that someone and I never professed to be.


I keep wondering why no one is asking why I'd choose something like the 22-250 instead of one of the more popular calibers. Which is basically the same question about why do people create wildcats. Yet no one even seemed to consider it.

The answer is that what I'm interested in isn't trying to just do what everyone else does, it's about walking a different path than the average Joe. To explore boundaries and be myself instead of a clone. Or worse, a robot.

Physically I'm limited by the amount of recoil my body can take so, while I'd love a rifle that can really reach out and touch something, mid to larger rifle calibers have been out of the realm of feasibility for me since the 1990's. And if all I wanted to do is shoot on the cheap cheap cheap, .22LR is probably the best option. Or take up archery. Or golf.

So, for my purposes, what I want to do is more than just shooting or hanging out or winning trophies or whatever. It's about being me and following my own trail in life in my own way at my own speed whatever that requires even if no one else thinks I'm going to get anywhere. This thread was supposed to help me do that. It was supposed to be about camaraderie and talking about building a rifle in a specific caliber to see what I could do with it.

That never happened. What happened was someone thinking that I had to be like them and that I had to shoot what they shoot and any desire to do anything else means I'm stupid and trying to con everyone. Yet all I was trying to do was start a conversation and see what is feasible for me.




In the end, the intended objective has been shelved. Whether that's permanent or temporary depends a lot on what happens in the future.

What you did here was use Calguns as an echo chamber so you could hear your own voice. No one tried to persuade you to shoot something different other than a passing mention of a few other calibers. Even you mentioned the 6xc but got the timeline and history all screwed up.

The Dasher was first. Then David Tubb's 6xc which is little more than a 22-250 necked up to .243, Then Hornady came along and took the idea of the 6xc tried something that David Tubb had already done (using a 6.5mm instead of a 6mm bullet and found out it doesn't work), Marketed the hell out of it as the Creedmoor and now it's the red headed stepchild of the shooting sports. In defense of the 6XC, The Dasher may be a record holder in benchrest but it's not listed in the High power record books. David Tubb set a few national records with it that stand today. One is a National clean match record he set in 2004 a perfect 1450- 101X that had never been done before or since.

The reason why no one is asking why the 22-250 is because this is Calguns and no one cares, They will just tell you "you bought the wrong gun" and "why aren't you shooting the latest greatest new shiny thing" That's what this place does. There are a handful of experienced shooters and gunsmiths here but the vast majority of people on Calguns are the one you see at the local range exchanging money for noise.

Your idea that the 22-250 is unpopular is not not completely correct. It's still the go to for a high velocity varmint cartridge and is not the outlier that you think it is. If you really wanted to be an oddball and do your own thing you should have picked a .220 Swift. Now that has a cult following and is highly unlikely you will bump into another owner of one let alone have two show up at a range at the same time.

That said the 22-250 is an awesome cartridge. It's just a little too popular for me and was the reason I went with the .220 swift.

[ar15barrels]

Never heard of it. I'll have to look it up and see.

It's basically a 22 PPC.
0.440" case head.
2.25" OAL group cartridge.
It's got a little more powder capacity than 223 and fits in a 223 length action with a larger boltface diameter and special magazines.

Useless in a bolt gun because it's got less power capacity than a 22BR and the case head and magazine problems of getting a 0.440" case diameter cartridge to feed in a bolt action.

[ar15barrels]

As for me, I like the 22-250.

Since you would be reloading for it, go 22-250 Ackley instead.
The straighter 22-250 ackley cases will stack in and feed from a 308 magazine better than the tapered 22-250 cases.
I have the reamer and gauges when you are ready for that rebarrel job.

[rplaw]

Since you would be reloading for it, go 22-250 Ackley instead.
The straighter 22-250 ackley cases will stack in and feed from a 308 magazine better than the tapered 22-250 cases.
I have the reamer and gauges when you are ready for that rebarrel job.

So tempting. Seriously. I think the twist on a Howa action/barrel combination is 1 in 14 so it would stabilize the heavier 65gr. bullets. I could put it into a PDC G5c chassis with a Vortex scope, get a few other accessories, then go play.

I wonder if they'd let me shoot it at an Appleseed? It's a .22 after all. Probably not. It could break the rule against having too much fun and you know how that kind of thing usually ends up.


On the other hand, I checked and I can also get a factory barrel in 25.06. That barrel and caliber would work using the Rem700 long action I already have. I could have it threaded for a brake and fit to the receiver and it'd go back into the factory stock perfectly. I think it's 24" so it wouldn't be a super shorty. Not the longest, but not the shortest either.

I could also drop it into a chassis like the other one just to make a statement.

Good hand loads might make something like that into a decent benchrest rifle out to 600-800 yds. Could be fun.

No Appleseed with this one though.



I need to spend some time thinking, there are other things going on too. (Like possibly getting back surgery in a few months - still need to have some more evaluations done before that call can be made.)

[ar15barrels]

On the other hand, I checked and I can also get a factory barrel in 25.06. That barrel and caliber would work using the Rem700 long action I already have. I could have it threaded for a brake and fit to the receiver and it'd go back into the factory stock perfectly. I think it's 24" so it wouldn't be a super shorty. Not the longest, but not the shortest either.

I could also drop it into a chassis like the other one just to make a statement.

Good hand loads might make something like that into a decent benchrest rifle out to 600-800 yds. Could be fun.

25 caliber limits your choices on good bullets.
If you want to keep your long action, go to a 6mm remington.
6mm gets you much better choices in bullets for 600-800yds.

Also forget about the skinny barrel profile.
They move around too much when you are actually shooting groups, especially with factory barrels.
You want to move to a proper quality heavy barrel for sure for 600-800yd target shooting.
Either a factory heavy barrel stock or a chassis will solve the issue of a heavy barrel not fitting into your stock.

[rplaw]

25 caliber limits your choices on good bullets.
If you want to keep your long action, go to a 6mm remington.
6mm gets you much better choices in bullets for 600-800yds.

Also forget about the skinny barrel profile.
They move around too much when you are actually shooting groups, especially with factory barrels.
You want to move to a proper quality heavy barrel for sure for 600-800yd target shooting.
Either a factory heavy barrel stock or a chassis will solve the issue of a heavy barrel not fitting into your stock.

Hmmm...

[sigstroker]

I was at the Nationals, Shot the long range only. I can tell you that my daughter and I were two of three shooting a 6mm. Everyone else in F open was shooting a 7mm variant or a 308 caliber but in a WSM or SAUM. The vast majority were 284 Win, 284 Shehane or a 6.5 PRC necked up to 7mm variant all shooting Berger or a few using a custom bullet. Two 6.5 creedmoores a 260 AI, and one 6mm Dasher
There was not one .223 in F-T/R all 308 using a Berger bullet.

My daughter came in 3rd out of six or seven juniors so not bad, she took last years junior Nat champ trophy.
I came in 11th from last I'm not there to win I'm there to learn.
As for wind... well it was worth about 3 to 4 rings on our guns. on a 284 is would have been 2-3 rings maybe a touch more. I shot the best score of my life at 1000yards on Friday. I shot a 197-6 First relay that was awesome.


F-Open Equipment list


F TR equipment list

Nope no 22-250 in sight. not even at mid range. So much for the preferred sniper round.

So they neck up a 6.5 PRC to 7 instead of using a 7 PRC?