22-250

[eaglemike]

OP-
There are people shooting a .223/5.56 quite effectively to more than 600 yards. A few people have done the AI thing for a slight improvement. If you want to do something different there's the Valkyrie. Others are available. There is a .22 Creedmoor, but I don't know anyone local shooting it.
There is a monthly NRA highpower rifle match locally, 200 and 300 yards, using electronically scored targets, reduced targets to simulate 600 yards. There is also a reduced Palma/F class match, shooting 300 yards. CMP matches whenever there is an extra weekend. These are held east San Diego County at the South Bay Rod and Gun Club. It's near the border, so we get to count the illegals on the way to the range. There's a 600 yard match in Seeley sometimes. There's likely many others I don't know about. It's a good experience to shoot matches. One finds out what works and what doesn't.

[kcstott]

It's a good experience to shoot matches. One finds out what works and what doesn't.

Stirring the pot.

He'll shoot a 600 yard match and figure out that 5 mph full value wind blows him out of the black on a MR target. Then when it drops by 2 MPH he's now three rings the other way. Yeah real stable.

[rplaw]

Anytime you care to clear my misconception up you go right ahead. I'm still waiting on the "preferred sniper round" All this time I thought it was the 308 or 300 win mag or better yet the 300 Norma mag I had no idea I could be a sniper with my .220 swift.

Japan used the 22-250 as a sniper round back in the (I think) 1970's.
The Brits and the Aussies used it too. In the 1980's.
You know . . . way back when like I said.

The US prefers .308 but the rest of the world isn't wedded to only 1 caliber.

That you "had no idea" shows in what you post.

[eaglemike]

Stirring the pot.

He'll shoot a 600 yard match and figure out that 5 mph full value wind blows him out of the black on a MR target. Then when it drops by 2 MPH he's now three rings the other way. Yeah real stable.

I visited the mid-range and long range nationals at Ben Avery last month. I didn't shoot as I'm not ready yet. The flags were blowing straight, right to left. I can only imagine what it would be like to shoot under those conditions. Once they are straight, I guess only experience can tell one how much to dial or hold. I've not looked at results, but to would be interesting to see if anyone was shooting .22-250.

[baih777]

What about 22 ARC ?

[edgerly779]

When we hunted Santa Cruz island for sheep from 1983 they closed we used 22-250s. Little meat damage good long range kills, Wide open country. No trees or brush on east end. We put solar on there for the Owens who were the guides . The hogs were smaller and inbred than their ca counterparts. Big hog was 75 pounds

[kcstott]

I visited the mid-range and long range nationals at Ben Avery last month. I didn't shoot as I'm not ready yet. The flags were blowing straight, right to left. I can only imagine what it would be like to shoot under those conditions. Once they are straight, I guess only experience can tell one how much to dial or hold. I've not looked at results, but to would be interesting to see if anyone was shooting .22-250.

I was at the Nationals, Shot the long range only. I can tell you that my daughter and I were two of three shooting a 6mm. Everyone else in F open was shooting a 7mm variant or a 308 caliber but in a WSM or SAUM. The vast majority were 284 Win, 284 Shehane or a 6.5 PRC necked up to 7mm variant all shooting Berger or a few using a custom bullet. Two 6.5 creedmoores a 260 AI, and one 6mm Dasher
There was not one .223 in F-T/R all 308 using a Berger bullet.

My daughter came in 3rd out of six or seven juniors so not bad, she took last years junior Nat champ trophy.
I came in 11th from last I'm not there to win I'm there to learn.
As for wind... well it was worth about 3 to 4 rings on our guns. on a 284 is would have been 2-3 rings maybe a touch more. I shot the best score of my life at 1000yards on Friday. I shot a 197-6 First relay that was awesome.


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Nope no 22-250 in sight. not even at mid range. So much for the preferred sniper round.

[kcstott]

Japan used the 22-250 as a sniper round back in the (I think) 1970's.
The Brits and the Aussies used it too. In the 1980's.
You know . . . way back when like I said.

The US prefers .308 but the rest of the world isn't wedded to only 1 caliber.

That you "had no idea" shows in what you post.

So again you need to correct your post. The 22-250 was not and never was a "preferred sniper round" in any country. Just because a unit tried it, deployed it in limited cases under very specific circumstances dose not make it a "preferred round"

[2761377]

There's nothing long range about the 22-250 it's a mid range cartridge at best.
Long range starts at 800 yards. Mid range starts at 300

this thread was started as a discussion about 22 caliber centerfire cartridges. in that context 400 yards is long range.

there are no .224 bullets that work for your long range definition.

[kcstott]

I visited the mid-range and long range nationals at Ben Avery last month. I didn't shoot as I'm not ready yet.

You ought to come and shoot a reduced Palma at SBRG. I got a PRS rifle in 6XC you can shoot. Or come out and shoot Seely 600-800 yard match. Santa Margarita is slowly getting back on track with regular 500 yard matches. We have a XTC match and a mid range tomorrow on range 214. but you would have needed to register for that a week ago. but just bringing it to your attention.

[eaglemike]

You ought to come and shoot a reduced Palma at SBRG. I got a PRS rifle in 6XC you can shoot. Or come out and shoot Seely 600-800 yard match. Santa Margarita is slowly getting back on track with regular 500 yard matches. We have a XTC match and a mid range tomorrow on range 214. but you would have needed to register for that a week ago. but just bringing it to your attention.

I'll hopefully be at the December SBRGC Palma/ F match. I had a LOT of rough chemo and a bone marrow transplant a few years ago. Sometimes I just feel awful. That's been slowing me down. i picked up a couple of barrels from Bartlein at the match. I have a Tikka Super Varmint (.223) on the way to do some learning. I bought a rifle from Creedmoor Sports before they moved, one of their bolt guns in an Eliseo chassis, 6.5CM, but cancer got me before I shot it. I should be ok to 600 or so, we'll see.
I've not been to any Santa Margarita stuff yet, maybe next year. I have neuropathy in my hands and feet from the chemo, makes it hard to stand steady. I'm working on it.
Thanks very much for the offer!
I look forward to learning from people that know how to shoot a rifle well.


ETA: For those thinking a .224 bullet isn't any good at longer ranges, take a look at the NRA highpower matches. There are 600 yard shots there at the across the course matches. I've shot a few of the reduced version, 300 yards, smaller targets. No issue at all for .223. Service rifle class, of course.

[kcstott]

I'll hopefully be at the December SBRGC Palma/ F match. I had a LOT of rough chemo and a bone marrow transplant a few years ago. Sometimes I just feel awful. That's been slowing me down. i picked up a couple of barrels from Bartlein at the match. I have a Tikka Super Varmint (.223) on the way to do some learning. I bought a rifle from Creedmoor Sports before they moved, one of their bolt guns in an Eliseo chassis, 6.5CM, but cancer got me before I shot it. I should be ok to 600 or so, we'll see.
I've not been to any Santa Margarita stuff yet, maybe next year. I have neuropathy in my hands and feet from the chemo, makes it hard to stand steady. I'm working on it.
Thanks very much for the offer!
I look forward to learning from people that know how to shoot a rifle well.

Brother I don't have words, I lost my father to cancer nearly 20 years ago.
I'll leave it at that.
I shoot prone so I don't have to worry about standing steady. I don't shoot XTC but I shoot F class. it's easier except when I have to get up off the ground.
I'll be at the December match for sure. Offer stands on the use of the rifle and ammo. just let me know ahead of time. One thing I do not have is an extra mat.

[kcstott]

this thread was started as a discussion about 22 caliber centerfire cartridges. in that context 400 yards is long range.

there are no .224 bullets that work for your long range definition.

Actually this thread was started to proliferate the fallacies and non sense of a delusional fan of the 22-250.

The CMP, NRA, IBS, NBRSA, BPCRSA, would all disagree with you on the definition of long range.

Range is just that, distance to the target.
In rifle shooting there is XTC, (across the course) which is short to mid range.
Mid range which is 500-600 yards unless you are using reduced targets.
and Long range which is 800-1000 yards.

You can not show up at a NRA, CMP or BPCR long range match and request the targets be moved in to 400 yards to suit your rifle.
The only accommodations that are made are for rimfire courses of fire. I think you are the only one that bases what long range is on what rifle you show up with. No real Rifleman does that.
Now I've heard "that's a long shot for that caliber/rifle" but that doesn't change what long range is.
and I'm sorry but there are plenty of 22 caliber bullets meant to go to 1000 yards. it's just that no one is shooting them from a 22-250.
Sierra makes a nice 75gr bullet So does Berger and they make heavier one too. all for the .223 F-T/R guys shooting mid and long range F class matches. not to mention the service rifle matches.

[eaglemike]

Brother I don't have words, I lost my father to cancer nearly 20 years ago.
I'll leave it at that.
I shoot prone so I don't have to worry about standing steady. I don't shoot XTC but I shoot F class. it's easier except when I have to get up off the ground.
I'll be at the December match for sure. Offer stands on the use of the rifle and ammo. just let me know ahead of time. One thing I do not have is an extra mat.

Thanks a ton!! I should be ok, I have a really nice .223 upper that I can shoot if the Tikka isn't ready.
see you there!
I have a mat.

[rplaw]

What about 22 ARC ?

Never heard of it. I'll have to look it up and see.