22-250

[rplaw]

I'm kind of an old skool guy. Comparing .223/5.56 and 22-250 I've rediscovered something I already knew, that 22-250 is a better cartridge ballistically. It shoots flatter and carries more energy downrange within its effective envelope.

It was even the preferred sniper round way back when because of how stable it is.

So why is 22-250 fading in popularity? Is it just because .223/5.56 was adopted for military use? Or the fact that it burns out barrels because no one uses the correct twist? What?

[baranski]

Likely price and availability.

[edgerly779]

I am loading 22-250,now found my brass. Loading 100 rounds this weekend. Non lead and lead. Only use for long range. I use my .223 for inside 200 yards.

[eaglemike]

Originally primarily slow twist and light bullets. Now some guys are building with a faster twist to shoot heavier bullets. That gives better long range ballistics.
That's one opinion I've read a few times, and seem to make sense.

[2761377]

haven't you heard?

if a long range cartridge doesn't have Creedmoor in it's name, it ain't worth spit.

lol

[kcstott]

I'm kind of an old skool guy. Comparing .223/5.56 and 22-250 I've rediscovered something I already knew, that 22-250 is a better cartridge ballistically. It shoots flatter and carries more energy downrange within its effective envelope.

It was even the preferred sniper round way back when because of how stable it is.

So why is 22-250 fading in popularity? Is it just because .223/5.56 was adopted for military use? Or the fact that it burns out barrels because no one uses the correct twist? What?

I don't know where you did your research but nearly everything you posted is just BS. "Preferred sniper round"?? Total BS and there is far too much documentation showing other wise. Police snipers maybe where a shot of 175 yards was long range for them. "More stable" What does that even mean?? bullet stability it a matter of bullet design, barrel twist rate and velocity. there is nothing magic about it

You have a ton to learn about ballistics too. the 22-250 with it's conventional light weight bullets is a 400 yard rifle at best. You see drag goes up by the square as speed increases. so the faster you accelerate the bullet the faster it slows down. A quick comparison of my .220 swift (which is faster than the 22-250 with the same bullet) to a service rifle round 5.56 77g BTHP shows the .220 swift at 2000 fps from a starting muzzle velocity of 3980 fps at 500 yards the bullet has lost HALF its velocity. While the 5.56 starting out at 2720 fps has only dropped to 1700 fps. so don't talk to me about retained energy while dumping half your speed.

Rifling twist rate has nothing to do with how fast a barrel burns out. it has to do with the ratio of powder to bore diameter. The more powder trying to neck down and get out a tiny bore the faster the barrel erodes.

The 22-250 is fading in popularity because times are a changin. We don't have the huge varmint clubs like we had in the 1950's people don't hunt rock chuck and prairie dog like they used to.

Let me give you a tip on gun boards or the the current advertising medium on the news stand. It's all conjecture at best, Marketing at it's finest and outright lies most of the time. Go buy a reloading manual, start reading up on what real snipers use both police and military look at what long range competitors use and compare notes with the likes of Berger and Sierra. then you will learn what real ballistics is and not what some gun writer wants you to believe.

[rplaw]

What does that even mean?

Interesting response given that others seemed to know what I was saying. It's almost like you don't know the lingo and are trying to impress everyone with a page full of something not very useful.

[rplaw]

haven't you heard?

if a long range cartridge doesn't have Creedmoor in it's name, it ain't worth spit.

lol

lol. Starting to believe that 6.5CM is the "magic bullet" that can hit anything dead center in an f5 tornado. Supposedly all you need to do is just wave the muzzle in the general direction of the hemisphere the target is in to get a "hit!"

[rplaw]

I am loading 22-250,now found my brass. Loading 100 rounds this weekend. Non lead and lead. Only use for long range. I use my .223 for inside 200 yards.

Where do you shoot long distance? I'm thinking of building something for long range.

[Abenaki]

I have a 22-250 and love it.
But my bolt action 223 is more fun to shoot.

A big part of what is going on is that a lot of the younger generation
only wants to shoot 5.56, 6.5 creedmore and 9mm.
That's what I see going on.

Take care
Abenaki

[kcstott]

Interesting response given that others seemed to know what I was saying. It's almost like you don't know the lingo and are trying to impress everyone with a page full of something not very useful.

I know what bullet stability is. But there is no such thing as cartridge stability. Since you never sighted a projectile and were just referring to the 22-250 in generic terms I assume you mean there is something special about the cartridge.

Yet of all my comments that's all you found fault with? No challenge to back up your claim of a "preferred sniper round", no challenge to the burnt barrel BS you posted?
Believe me I'm not trying to impress anyone. I'm calling out BS when and where I see it.
You sound like you just read the latest Guns & Ammo marketing circular and are regurgitating some new hire gun writers BS.

What you posted was complete and utter garbage, full of erroneous and inaccurate beliefs lacking any basis in reality.

[kcstott]

haven't you heard?

if a long range cartridge doesn't have Creedmoor in it's name, it ain't worth spit.

lol

There's nothing long range about the 22-250 it's a mid range cartridge at best.
Long range starts at 800 yards. Mid range starts at 300

[rplaw]

I have a 22-250 and love it.
But my bolt action 223 is more fun to shoot.

Why? I'll grant you that it's probably quieter than the 22-250 but why more fun?

A big part of what is going on is that a lot of the younger generation
only wants to shoot 5.56, 6.5 creedmore and 9mm.
That's what I see going on.

Take care
Abenaki

Herd mentality counts for most of that but some of it comes from practicality. IMO 9mm is better than .45 because the 9 is more "agile." I have both calibers in a 1911 platform. I can do more with a 9mm and I can do it faster and more effectively. That's not to say the .45 is "bad," I love my .45's, it's that the 9 is more agile and effective and that translates to being able to do more with it.

So some of it is practicality based.


As for rifles; the 6XC is a better round than the newfangled 6 dasher (which is supposedly better than either Creedmore caliber). Right now the dasher is being touted as "the cartridge of the future" merely because some numbnutz shooting team player says so and the herd follows along swiping plastic and accruing credit card debt for what is really an inferior round.

That's not my thing and I'm not a herd follower. Which is why I'm interested in the 22-250.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22-250_Remington

[rplaw]

I assume...

I think I found out where your problem is.

[kcstott]

I think I found out where your problem is.

Anytime you care to clear my misconception up you go right ahead. I'm still waiting on the "preferred sniper round" All this time I thought it was the 308 or 300 win mag or better yet the 300 Norma mag I had no idea I could be a sniper with my .220 swift.