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  • #16
    Dano3467
    Calguns Addict
    • Mar 2013
    • 7381

    2nd post...

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    • #17
      71MUSTY
      Calguns Addict
      • Mar 2014
      • 7029

      IDK, I have shot many many thousands of reloads over the years without there ever being an issue and I don't reload myself, but I had a high confidence in the people who loaded them.
      Only slaves don't need guns

      Originally posted by epilepticninja
      Americans vs. Democrats
      We stand for the Anthem, we kneel for the cross


      We already have the only reasonable Gun Control we need, It's called the Second Amendment and it's the government it controls.


      What doesn't kill me, better run

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      • #18
        ar15barrels
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2006
        • 57136

        Commercially manufactured guns are required to be serialized and tracked at all points of sale.
        Ammunition is not.

        That's where the distinction is.

        Self-made guns are simply home-made versions of an item that IS required to be serialized and tracked at each point of sale which is why they care about who and how they are being "self" manufactured.

        Since commercial ammo is not serialized or tracked at each point of sale, there is less cause for concern when it is self manufactured.
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        • #19
          sbo80
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2014
          • 2265

          My comment was not about "manufacturing ammunition for use by others". The suggestion was made that ATF would crack down simply on using a press someone else owned, to make your own ammo. My friend coming over to use my press to load some rounds he doesn't have dies for, is not going to be an issue. It's entirely different to the "renting a CNC to make a firearm" that ATF had a problem with, which they roped into even "using a friend's jig" which personally I think is an overreach, as it was the people trying to make a business of manufacturing firearms without "manufacturing themselves" that ruined it.

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          • #20
            Subotai
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jun 2010
            • 11289

            Well, technically you can't, technically, y'know, "technically". LOL.

            RKBA Clock: soap box, ballot box, jury box, cartridge box (Say When!)
            Free Vespuchia!

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            • #21
              kcstott
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Nov 2011
              • 11796

              Originally posted by ar15barrels
              Commercially manufactured guns are required to be serialized and tracked at all points of sale.
              Ammunition is not.

              That's where the distinction is.

              Self-made guns are simply home-made versions of an item that IS required to be serialized and tracked at each point of sale which is why they care about who and how they are being "self" manufactured.

              Since commercial ammo is not serialized or tracked at each point of sale, there is less cause for concern when it is self manufactured.

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              • #22
                hambam105
                Calguns Addict
                • Jan 2013
                • 7083

                "Can you get in trouble ( technically ) for loading..."


                Can you find yourself in non consensual sex act with your Big Bubba cellmate (technically)?

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                • #23
                  bugsy714
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 2418

                  Originally posted by hambam105
                  "Can you get in trouble ( technically ) for loading..."


                  Can you find yourself in non consensual sex act with your Big Bubba cellmate (technically)?

                  Get your chamber reamed?


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                  dictated but not read

                  Voice typing will butcher whatever I was trying to say

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                  • #24
                    freonr22
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 12945

                    Whos insurance pays if there is a squib or double load?
                    sigpic
                    Originally posted by dantodd
                    We will win. We are right. We will never stop fighting.
                    Originally posted by bwiese
                    They don't believe it's possible, but then Alison didn't believe there'd be 350K - 400K OLLs in CA either.
                    Originally posted by louisianagirl
                    Our fate is ours alone to decide as long as we remain armed heavily enough to dictate it.

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                    • #25
                      kcstott
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 11796

                      Originally posted by freonr22
                      Whos insurance pays if there is a squib or double load?
                      Or do you mean who gets sued??

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                      • #26
                        Itsrockysmodernlife
                        Member
                        • Apr 2021
                        • 221

                        Originally posted by JackEllis
                        I asked ATF about this several years ago. Bottom line: don't do it.

                        I still have the note with my question and their reply. If you want a copy, send me a PM.
                        The atf also classified a shoe string as an automatic weapon once so..
                        Last edited by Itsrockysmodernlife; 08-28-2022, 7:30 PM. Reason: Spelling correction

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                        • #27
                          pacrat
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • May 2014
                          • 10284

                          Originally posted by JackEllis
                          I asked ATF about this several years ago. Bottom line: don't do it.

                          I still have the note with my question and their reply. If you want a copy, send me a PM.

                          ^^^ THAT'S SOME FUNNY CH!T RIGHT THERE ^^^

                          Hey Jack; Call the ATF back and ask them if you should buy a gun for self defense?

                          You're more than likely to get the same answer.

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                          • #28
                            newbie1234
                            Veteran Member
                            • Feb 2016
                            • 3121

                            Are we talking about the Basketball ? So
                            (1) DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL.
                            (2) Remember the NIKE advertisement: JUST DO IT
                            Last edited by newbie1234; 08-28-2022, 8:02 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Libertarian777
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 576

                              Unfortunately they didn't have the balls to take it to court, we would have ended up with ar lowers not being defined as firearms if they had

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                              • #30
                                JackEllis
                                Veteran Member
                                • Nov 2015
                                • 2731

                                Originally posted by pacrat
                                ^^^ THAT'S SOME FUNNY CH!T RIGHT THERE ^^^

                                Hey Jack; Call the ATF back and ask them if you should buy a gun for self defense?

                                You're more than likely to get the same answer.
                                Actually I don't have to make that phone call. Where I live acquiring a weapon for self-defense and then becoming and remaining proficient in its use would be a colossal waste of my time and money. I might have a different idea if I lived on the South Side of Chicago but I don't.

                                Since you raised the issue, the way I think about stuff like this is in terms of what's likely, not what's possible. We're all susceptible to being killed in an auto accident yet most of us still use cars to get around because the likelihood of being killed in a car accident is acceptably low. Along the same lines, it's possible I could be killed by a burglar or a mass shooter but the likelihood is even lower than death by auto.

                                Going back to the ATF and "manufacturing" ammunition, some may find the consequences of getting caught acceptably low. I don't have to accept that risk to help someone out (in this case a family member). He can easily afford the higher cost of factory ammo given how much (really how little) he shoots the firearm in question.
                                Last edited by JackEllis; 08-29-2022, 10:07 AM.

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