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  • #16
    NukleusX
    Member
    • Jul 2016
    • 434

    Good info here as 45 is my next load to tackle... once I get dies and gauges and powder and yeah... heh. Too focused on rifle loads currently although have 500 45 xtp clone's waiting for the day I have the gear.

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    • #17
      Paseclipse
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      • Jul 2011
      • 1246

      I'm in the midst of loading up my first 45 ACP rounds too and I figure I'll share my findings.

      For OAL, check out the SAAMI spec- http://www.saami.org/specifications_...wnload/205.pdf

      Download a copy of this specification because you will reference it all the time.

      The SAAMI specification recommends a velocity range of 830-915 fps for 230 grain bullets (I'm not sure what type of bullet this is for though). I felt this range was a little high so I chronographed some factory rounds and did some searching around online and came to the conclusion a good velocity range for 230 grain bullets is in the 800-850 fps range.

      For powder charges, get yourself a couple more books and start your loads on the low end. My Hornady book recommends 4.4-5.5 grain charges with Bullseye powder and LRN bullets at 2.210" OAL.

      Hope this helps. Good luck
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      • #18
        maggie06
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2013
        • 653

        Thanks, according to Alliant (Bulleyes) website, plated bullets use the higher ranges seen for lead, and midrange as seen in jacketed. If that's wrong someone correct me please.

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        • #19
          stilly
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jul 2009
          • 10685

          Originally posted by rm1911
          5 grains is the perfect load with bullseye. Works with 230's and 200's.

          I believe it's against the law** to load 45 with anything but bullseye. I could be wrong, but why chance it

          ** keep in mind that pretty much everything is illegal in kalifornia.

          No sir. You are indeed correct.

          It is illegal to load ANYTHING other than 5.0 grains of Bullseye into a 230 grain .45 Automatic Colt Pistol Cartridge having the diameter of .451 for the projectile. This is the Military Full Metal Jacket Load that was fired out of Jim Browning's design of the Model of the 1911 Colt Automatic Pistol that was issued to the Men of the United States Army back in 1924 to be used as a sidearm against Germans and Filipino Bushmen and lasted for over 60 years only to be replaced by some Italian piece of **** with a smaller pee hole and you load it with spaghetti and Parmesan cheese...

          The law is that you are to load up 5.0 grains of Bullseye and everytime you fire it you are to remember our military history and have a small celebration with each trigger pull.

          Just remember that when you are celebrating the most awesome and compelling pistol cartridge in the world that you should not be pointing at other people. That could turn a patriotic and sense of pride in ownership moment into a life sentence and there will be no more celebrating after that.

          Like I always say, "If it is a Automatic Colt Pistol in dot four five one, then you load it with Bullseye, and shoot to have fun."
          Last edited by stilly; 07-29-2017, 12:31 PM.
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          • #20
            pennstater
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2010
            • 4656

            Well, see? There you have it! 5.0 gr Bullseye/230gr LRN. OAL:1.270"[for me].

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            • #21
              wbunning
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              CGN Contributor
              • Feb 2013
              • 808

              Originally posted by maggie06
              HI guys, as mentioned in another thread, I'm one of the flood of new reloaders with questions.

              I bought Lee breechlock single stage and am going slow and making all the rookie mistakes, but figuring out each stage before moving on.

              I have the decapping and priming down, bullet seating and crimping down, but I can't find loan data for my combo of powder and bullet.

              Extreme copper plated 230 gr.
              Bulleyes
              powder.

              Lee manual has data for jacketed, but not plated. Could use some data for starting, max, and min oal.

              Thanks in advance, keep in mind this is my first experience in this world.

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              I like the Xtreme bullets, and use lots of them. I also cast some of my own. I've used Titegroup and Unique with their .45 RN bullet with decent results, as well as others. Acme Bullet Company makes some good Hi-Tek coated cast bullets for a little less than Xtreme plated. I've just started trying them in .38/357 and they seem GTG.

              The Lee handbook has listings for copper plated loads, but the listing for .45 ACP doesn't include Bullseye. You might want to puck up a copy of that book.

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              • #22
                maggie06
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2013
                • 653

                Made my first 45acp. Safe to shoot?

                Extreme 230 gr round nose copper plated.
                Bullseye 4.5 gr
                Min oal 1.65

                Made a dummy, it cycles, dropped it in barrel and it sits almost flush, just a hair below.

                All comments welcome

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                • #23
                  JagerDog
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • May 2011
                  • 14555

                  Originally posted by maggie06
                  Made my first 45acp. Safe to shoot?

                  Extreme 230 gr round nose copper plated.
                  Bullseye 4.5 gr
                  Min oal 1.65

                  Made a dummy, it cycles, dropped it in barrel and it sits almost flush, just a hair below.

                  All comments welcome

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                  • #24
                    JagerDog
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • May 2011
                    • 14555

                    Originally posted by Paseclipse
                    I'm in the midst of loading up my first 45 ACP rounds too and I figure I'll share my findings.

                    For OAL, check out the SAAMI spec- http://www.saami.org/specifications_...wnload/205.pdf

                    Download a copy of this specification because you will reference it all the time.

                    The SAAMI specification recommends a velocity range of 830-915 fps for 230 grain bullets (I'm not sure what type of bullet this is for though). I felt this range was a little high so I chronographed some factory rounds and did some searching around online and came to the conclusion a good velocity range for 230 grain bullets is in the 800-850 fps range.

                    For powder charges, get yourself a couple more books and start your loads on the low end. My Hornady book recommends 4.4-5.5 grain charges with Bullseye powder and LRN bullets at 12.210" OAL.

                    Hope this helps. Good luck
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                    • #25
                      maggie06
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 653

                      Originally posted by JagerDog
                      Ummm...typo????
                      Oops. Meant 1.265

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                      • #26
                        wbunning
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 808

                        Originally posted by maggie06
                        Oops. Meant 1.265

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                        Whew! Better :-)
                        Should be good to go. Take em' to the range with your notebook and calipers, stick 10 rounds in the mag, gnash your teeth, tense up so you have something to blame your lousy shots on, and try them. If they function, shoot all but the last one in the mag. Take that one out and measure to see if the OAL stayed where it belongs (crimp check). Study your brass for pressure signs and obturation.

                        Have fun. It's a challenge to pull the trigger on your first reload, and everyone is a bit timid.

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                        • #27
                          Mayor McRifle
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Dec 2013
                          • 7667

                          Originally posted by maggie06
                          Thanks, according to Alliant (Bulleyes) website, plated bullets use the higher ranges seen for lead, and midrange as seen in jacketed. If that's wrong someone correct me please.
                          This is correct. If I have plated bullets, I usually aim for right in the middle of FMJ data ranges, and then make a test ladder going a few tenths below and up to a couple tenths above.

                          And your Bullseye is a great choice. I use Bullseye for regular 230 grain .45 loads, Win 231 for 230 grain .45 competition loads (softer), and Clays for 185 grain .45 "Geezer Loads" (super soft).
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                          • #28
                            Mayor McRifle
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Dec 2013
                            • 7667

                            Originally posted by wbunning
                            Have fun. It's a challenge to pull the trigger on your first reload, and everyone is a bit timid.
                            LOL. Yep, it's something you'll always remember. OP, you might want to take a picture of your hands and fingers before you fire your first handload, you know, just in case . . .
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                            • #29
                              Redemption
                              Member
                              • May 2015
                              • 430

                              Gosh I remember shooting that first reload....it was a 230 grain cast round nose .45acp out of my Springfield Armory 1911m1A1. Not only was it my first reload but I was new to casting as well.

                              I'm my head, my pistol was for sure going to explode and terribly maim but not kill me and I would never be able to shoot again. But alas I had done everything as intended and my rounds flew true....many a paper target was murdered in cold blood on that day.

                              Good luck on that first shoot OP.
                              Semper Fi and long live the Hornady red monster!

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                              • #30
                                maggie06
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2013
                                • 653

                                Thanks guys. I'll load 9 more, take to range, close my eyes, grit my teeth, and pull. Not unlike my first jump out of a perfectly fine c123.

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