XBOX ONE is sounding terrible.

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[jonzer77]

I can say this for sure, people really hate the Xbox One, I mean a lot.

They really screwed up on this one, Sony has always been better at marketing there product but Microsoft really made it easy for them this time.

I watched both of the E3 events in full, really the games looked exactly on par with each other on both systems and that cracks me up because everyone is so offended with the DRM stuff that they are overlooking the Xbox One is going to have great looking games and that is what matters when you get down to it.

The things that people really hate the xbox one for don't effect me and Halo and Gears are some of my favorite franchises of all time so I am gonna get an Xbox One for those games alone.

A lot of this stuff is really being blown out of proportion as well. Most players are online all the time anyway and you can shut the camera off so that to me is a non issue.

All the DRM and disk stuff doesn't effect me either but it is still pretty offensive so I can see why people are pissed about that.

What really makes me mad is shoving Kinect down my throat, but no one really talks about that.

I don't really mind all of the other stuff but the kinect is what will stop me from being an early adopter. I don't care if Microsoft says you can turn it off, someone will be able to hack it and I don't want to be that person that gets hacked. If they decide to release a version that lets you save a few bucks and doesn't include the kinect then I might buy one. In the mean time I will keep playing 360.

[blazeaglory]

So, to the current xbox owners, do you not leave your system hooked up to the network all the time anyways?

I do, and I don't feel this is an issue.

I have no issue with the camera and the mic.

You want to see a big guy in his undies watching tv?...go for it

So you never log out of Live or turn your Xbox off? Wow...

Anyways, this new xbox is sounding more effed up by the day...Microsoft is leaving the "no used games" thing up to the 3rd parties, and EA has already said that they will not allow used games to be sold or transferred through "non approved" parties. So basically the game designers/companies will decide if you can trade or sell their games without a fee. Its not up to xbox.

And yes, the machine will have to at least "call home" every 24 hours. I dont know if that means the machine will have to be on 24/7 or what but it sounds weird. You cant play games offline anymore either and must have at least a 1.5mb connection...

[blazeaglory]

I'm really tired of the pay for LIVE vs free for PSn argument anyway. It's been 11 years already.

Would I prefer LIVE to be free? Of course, however I can hardly begrudge the $5 a month for the unified, across all games, system that MS has set up. It works every time, across any game, and everyone uses it because anyone who has signed up for it wants the features and the devs know this.

It is very clear that LIVE was the better of the two online systems. People that wanted the best online experience on a console had no issue with paying for LIVE. Should things like netflix be moved outside the pay wall? Yes. Does it really matter to most people with an xbox, not really, because they are paying for LIVE anyway.

I, for one, do not see the difference between LIVE and PSn changing much for next gen. MS has a much more unified idea of what LIVE is supposed to do and has spent more money than sony on infrastructure over the past 11 years and is upgrading LIVE's back bone again for the cloud computing with more servers again, this time around.

I don't have a problem paying $5 a month for that.




As for that, i'm not sure what you are saying. If you are implying people willing to pay for LIVE are too stupid to figure out how to pirate stuff, I wholeheartedly disagree with you. I will not download the things I want for free, even if I want them. If I don't want something bad enough to pay for it, then I simply make do with out it.

I'm not sure the sense of equating a free vs paid subscription service with a paid service vs illegally downloading things off the internet.

I kind of agree with you. $60 for a year isnt bad at all. LIVE has never let me down yet.

I dont agree with having to "check in" with MS every 24 hours though. And if you dont check in, you get banned and have to call MS and set your account up again, or something of the equivalent.

I also dont like the rules they will have on used games now. Freaking games are gonna be like $60-$70, thats alot of $$$. I dont feel I should have to pay to trade or buy used, on top of getting screwed from the dealer.

[Spyder]

Who gives a crap if it has to ping your system every 24 hours I don't get why this matters at all

I frequently don't have internet at home, and it frequently does not work for more than 24 hours at a time, and when it DOES work, it's so ridiculously slow that I can't stream a 6 second 144dpi youtube video without it freezing twice.

I live in the bottom of a canyon, and haven't had my PS3 hooked up to the internet in 3 years.

[Spyder]

And anyways, the only thing I care about is if/when a new Fallout is coming out.

Fallout:New Vegas is PHENOMENAL.

[Iknownot]

So you never log out of Live or turn your Xbox off? Wow...



And yes, the machine will have to at least "call home" every 24 hours. I dont know if that means the machine will have to be on 24/7 or what but it sounds weird. You cant play games offline anymore either and must have at least a 1.5mb connection...

No one freaks out when they have to sign into steam to play their PC games. All MS is doing is automating that process and having the console sign in once Ar night so the console is always authorized and ready to go.

Also, MS has said you can completlu shut the console down, if you want in functionality, except for a trickle to leave kinect on and able to respond only to " Xbox on"

Is there a possibility for your console to get hacked and to get spied on? Sure. But it's no more, than any other wifi Internet device with a camera and mic. Are you that worried abou your smart phone? Your laptop with built in camera? We all already have Internet enabled devices that have this danger.

[jonzer77]

No one freaks out when they have to sign into steam to play their PC games. All MS is doing is automating that process and having the console sign in once Ar night so the console is always authorized and ready to go.

Also, MS has said you can completlu shut the console down, if you want in functionality, except for a trickle to leave kinect on and able to respond only to " Xbox on"

Is there a possibility for your console to get hacked and to get spied on? Sure. But it's no more, than any other wifi Internet device with a camera and mic. Are you that worried abou your smart phone? Your laptop with built in camera? We all already have Internet enabled devices that have this danger.

Are you saying you prefer to be forced to have kinect?

[bomb_on_bus]

Xbox One is junk just like the Xbox 360 is. Remember that the 360 came with a host of problems that were never fixed until multiple generations later. Over 2/3 of all consoles experienced some sort failure requiring refurbishing. (this was something that Microsoft was aware of before the console was offered to the public just so they could have something to put on the market)

The red ring of death................... just imagine that on the new Xbox One ....................... at least you don't have to pony up the extra coin for the external HD disk drive.

[mavericksun]

This is turning into something like Android versus apple. One gives choice to the consumers while the other gives a consistent but limited set of "features".

I like the options of not having to pay M$ month to access Netflix. I don't play games with Kinect and don't feel that I should have to buy it.

DRMs can be used in many ways. M$ just choose to use it to capitalize on it at the expense of users. M$ can implement or let someone make a digital content selling/trading service but they choose not to. DRM on the disc to make sure it's genuine has been around for years and that does not require a constant online service. If the content itself has a DRM then you really don't own it, you are renting it. You can use the content as long as the DRM owner allows you to access it. I've never been fond of Steam because you don't own any content, steam just rents it out to you. If steam goes out of business tomorrow, you can't start your game. Those free daily amazon android apps only work when you are signed into your amazon account. It's like saying you paid for a gun but it's only yours if you come to our store to shoot. We have many stores you can shoot at but you can only shoot at our stores. It sounds great that you have access at all those locations but do you really own the gun then?

I have always like the freedom of choices, that's why my home is apple free. i have no interest in X1 because of the spying, control, and lack of ownership of content.

[RamonSJC]

Sony will be left further in the dust when it comes to the future of gaming technology. Fan boys will never accept that as Sony Reaches its 4th Generation console it has yet to move into the future.

It has been said before, anyone use steam? No physical media have to connect to the internet constantly to play. On top of that if you don't connect for 1-3 weeks like me. You connect, have an update to every single game and then, by the time it's done, you shut down the PC and don't even play a single minute

Microsoft has already said that if you have junk or no internet keep or buy the 360. People crying the most about the "ping the router" once a day, are posting every 5 minutes online on how much they hate it!!!! <- Yet they are online 24/7. It will not be a 4 hour connection verification process.

Here are some choices that I feel are available.

1. Buy Guns and Ammo, gaming is for children
2. PS3 and Xbox 360 are still alive and kicking, keep them. They wont auto combust once PS4 and Xbox One are released. Wait to see how well both consoles perform 6 months out before getting one.
3. Buy or don't buy a Xbox One
4. Buy or don't buy a capable stand alone gaming PS4
5. Live in the future of gaming, Xbox One will be revealed to be the real Skynet, JOIN NOW!!!!

Games will dictate who goes where. I personally do not buy used games, though I have given away games before. We will see how the DRM (friends and family) works out. I will get an Xbox One and a PS4, no matter how biased I am toward Sony, because it will have games that I want to play.

[NytWolf]

Sony will be left further in the dust when it comes to the future of gaming technology. Fan boys will never accept that as Sony Reaches its 4th Generation console it has yet to move into the future.

It has been said before, anyone use steam? No physical media have to connect to the internet constantly to play. On top of that if you don't connect for 1-3 weeks like me. You connect, have an update to every single game and then, by the time it's done, you shut down the PC and don't even play a single minute

Microsoft has already said that if you have junk or no internet keep or buy the 360. People crying the most about the "ping the router" once a day, are posting every 5 minutes online on how much they hate it!!!! <- Yet they are online 24/7. It will not be a 4 hour connection verification process.

Here are some choices that I feel are available.

1. Buy Guns and Ammo, gaming is for children
2. PS3 and Xbox 360 are still alive and kicking, keep them. They wont auto combust once PS4 and Xbox One are released. Wait to see how well both consoles perform 6 months out before getting one.
3. Buy or don't buy a Xbox One
4. Buy or don't buy a capable stand alone gaming PS4
5. Live in the future of gaming, Xbox One will be revealed to be the real Skynet, JOIN NOW!!!!

Games will dictate who goes where. I personally do not buy used games, though I have given away games before. We will see how the DRM (friends and family) works out. I will get an Xbox One and a PS4, no matter how biased I am toward Sony, because it will have games that I want to play.

Well said, sir.

So far, all comments are made from speculation or something they read or heard. Until the product is out and people actually start using it, everything said is pure speculation. Nobody knows the full details yet.

There is one thing that is sure though ... Sony is keeping the PS4 as a pure gaming console, while Microsoft is expanding the reach with the XBox One. People can't accept Microsoft as an innovator because it's easier to play David than it is to be Goliath.

[lilro]

Well said, sir.

So far, all comments are made from speculation or something they read or heard. Until the product is out and people actually start using it, everything said is pure speculation. Nobody knows the full details yet.

There is one thing that is sure though ... Sony is keeping the PS4 as a pure gaming console, while Microsoft is expanding the reach with the XBox One. People can't accept Microsoft as an innovator because it's easier to play David than it is to be Goliath.

It's not really speculation when Microsoft came out and said it themselves.

[NytWolf]

It's not really speculation when Microsoft came out and said it themselves.

Details, dear ... details.

[Iknownot]

Are you saying you prefer to be forced to have kinect?

I don't personally have a problem with Kinect. I thought it had potential for some really good gaming experiences, that was hampered by not being accurate enough. That issue looks (If you watch the demo vids of Kinect 2.0) like it is being addressed. So the potential I saw in kinect 1.0 looks like will actually be there for kinect 2.0.

To be fair, I feel like kinect 1.0 had some really great gaming experiences, though there weren't enough to make the purchase of kinect 1.0 worth it.

Kinect sports, Disneyland, Kinect Adventure all worked, for most of the mini games in them, pretty well. There were a couple of things here or there that didn't work right, but overall, they were fun games. The various dance and exercise games worked well, also. Further, there were a couple of smaller games that were really unique and fun experiences. Things like Gunstringer and Double Fine's Kinect party. It was a simple, silly game but it was very fun and strangely addicting. Also, fruit ninja kinect, worked absolutely well and is the best format of the game on any platform. It is the most fun version and kinect is the best way to play that game. So the thing has the ability to make fun games. A kinect 2.0 that actually works 100% of the time, can only lead to some interesting gaming experiences.

Also, I think another factor older/adult gamers ignore when it comes to kinect is that is provides a stable of games that parents can easily go to to find something appropriate for their kids. Both the Xbox and Xbox 360 before kinect, had very skimpy offerings for younger kids. Once kinect came out, there were some younger friendly and family oriented games that were available for families to play together. I think that is an important advantage the Xbox one will have over the PS4. yes the X1 will still have all the older, mature oriented games we all know and love, but it will also have a nice library of games available for younger people and families as well.

In any case, to answer your question, would I have preferred the $ to go to better hardware specs vs kinect 2.0? The gamer in me, says yes. However, MS already had the money invested in the tech. I could hardly expect them to give up on trying to attract people, besides the hard core gamer. Kinect 2.0 makes sense. Further, the way MS has integrated it into the console with regards to controls and things like Skype and such, it makes sense with regards to MS's interests in making a gaming machine plus an all in one box for your living room.

The X1 is going to be able to play great games, AND it's going to be a web hub, a communication device, a TV control device, etc.

If you don't like those features fine, but they certainly provide more value to people who are interested in them. I certainly am going to be using them. Skype alone, being able to switch to it and back from TV or gaming, is going to be used by me. I have family elsewhere in the country and being able to chat with them on the fly, and then swap back to what I was doing is going to be a big plus. Heck, just being able to chat with someone while watching a football game on TV,would be awesome.

The x1 has a lot of features due directly to Kinect 2.0. You may not be interested in them, but you can hardly say that MS doesn't have a cohesive plan for the console. You may disagree with it, and that's fine. The PS4 is sitting right there, at $100 less. I wouldn't knock anyone for a second picking that way.