XBOX ONE is sounding terrible.

[madoka]

You know MS is in trouble when gamers have already nicknamed their new console the XBone.

[Iknownot]

You know MS is in trouble when gamers have already nicknamed their new console the XBone.

No different than the past 2 gens, when it came to Sony Vs Ms, and the xbox and x360 managed to do just fine.

If anything hurts MS this gen, it's the $100 price point difference at launch. MS could be in really big trouble over that.

(There's a very simple counter to that though. All MS needs to say is, yes we have this DRM structure, but digital distribution leads to lower costs, so all our day 1 games are going to be $50 or less.)

[the86d]

I kind of agree with you. $60 for a year isnt bad at all. LIVE has never let me down yet.

I dont agree with having to "check in" with MS every 24 hours though. And if you dont check in, you get banned and have to call MS and set your account up again, or something of the equivalent.

I also dont like the rules they will have on used games now. Freaking games are gonna be like $60-$70, thats alot of $$$. I dont feel I should have to pay to trade or buy used, on top of getting screwed from the dealer.

I have issues with this, as about 50% of the time when I have needed to activate a Windows OS, or went to update a game (I knew needed updating due to another console needing an update...) servers were being worked on, or unable to do what I needed, and I needed to try later. I don't play games on XBL, so I can't speak for playing on that though...

Wasn't it EA games that said they were not going to make single-player-games but multi-player-only games in the future?
"You're doomed to mediocrity, like EA's buying stock in thee..." - Push - Attack Slug

...Is there a possibility for your console to get hacked and to get spied on? Sure. But it's no more, than any other wifi Internet device with a camera and mic. Are you that worried abou your smart phone? Your laptop with built in camera? We all already have Internet enabled devices that have this danger.

WAY more, I think. On a phone you can factory it, or drop a new ROM on it that excludes an exploitable/patched derivitive-portion (if you don't have an iPhruity dev), on a camera device you can change the port FW on the Internet side... For the Kinect there IS always the index-card w/ tape option to cover the lens, though...

The sub-accounts under a Live subscription will just add another level of simplicity to Skynet-tracking and so they will know who the kids are too, without kids purchasing a danged thing! Direct-child-marketing... without broadcast TV.

Would this be the 1st console M$ put out that may be outsource-codded in India, like WinVista is rumored to have been screwed by, or was the OG 360 coded in India too? Hmmm.

[shooter556]

No different than the past 2 gens, when it came to Sony Vs Ms, and the xbox and x360 managed to do just fine.

If anything hurts MS this gen, it's the $100 price point difference at launch. MS could be in really big trouble over that.

(There's a very simple counter to that though. All MS needs to say is, yes we have this DRM structure, but digital distribution leads to lower costs, so all our day 1 games are going to be $50 or less.)

100 dollars is really not the only issue of this console. The fact you have to be online 24/7 and that you can't play used games for free is the biggest downfall for me. I don't like the idea of having to be online all the time. It's bull**** how you wont even be able to borrow a game from a buddy on the Xbox ONE. And what if your internet fails for a bit? Now you can't even enjoy some nice single player. And a lot of people just buy them for the single player and don't necessarily play online much. So that's a big **** you to them. Ridiculous. The ONE is just a big brick of fail.

[Iknownot]

I have issues with this, as about 50% of the time when I have needed to activate a Windows OS, or went to update a game (I knew needed updating due to another console needing an update...) servers were being worked on, or unable to do what I needed, and I needed to try later. I don't play games on XBL, so I can't speak for playing on that though...

WAY more, I think. On a phone you can factory it, or drop a new ROM on it that excludes an exploitable/patched derivitive-portion (if you don't have an iPhruity dev), on a camera device you can change the port FW on the Internet side... For the Kinect there IS always the index-card w/ tape option to cover the lens, though...

The sub-accounts under a Live subscription will just add another level of simplicity to Skynet-tracking and so they will know who the kids are too, without kids purchasing a danged thing!

Would this be the 1st console M$ put out that may be outsource-codded in India, like WinVista is rumored to have been screwed by, or was the OG 360 coded in India too? Hmmm.

Look, you don't like the xbox or x360 or MS? Fine. But your arguements against the console are tin-foil hat territory.

First off, to rip on LIVE, not having experienced it, is just plain silly. LIVE was, and is a rock solid gaming experience. Features work the same across all games, all devs support all of them, and LIVE really has had no significant issues over the past 8 or 9 years in terms of running. Yes, there have been outages a couple of times, for 24 hours and some people fell victim to account hacking do to social media mining (and 3rd party dev servers getting hacked), but overall, it's been a great experience.

Game updates were quick and automatic. I don't know if you've had experience with the PSn and the updates there, but Sony's online system looks like the keystone cops when it comes to updates and feature support compared to LIVE.

2nd, if you're talking about modding a phone to block stuff, you are in the .00000001 of the population walking around with a smart phone that would actually do that. Everyone else, the 99.99999% of people with a smart phone are whatever risk you are worried about with all their internet devices, besides just an internet enabled console. So you are not talking real world, as it exists. You are talking geek world, based on the amount of effort you are willing to put in to do what you are talking about.

3rd. If you're that worried about MS using your info, then I hope you don't own a smart phone, or a TV with cable service and a DVR box or Tivo, or a computer with a browser with cookies enabled or anything else anyone does regarding to media or internet usage. I hope you are not on facebook, twitter, instagram or whatever else.

To think MS is setting up any skynet blah blah blah, any more than any other internet company everyone already has contact with, is just ridiculous.

Just say you don't like MS. You don't like MS products. Your rational for not liking them makes you look silly.

[Iknownot]

100 dollars is really not the only issue of this console. The fact you have to be online 24/7 and that you can't play used games for free is the biggest downfall for me. I don't like the idea of having to be online all the time. It's bull**** how you wont even be able to borrow a game from a buddy on the Xbox ONE. And what if your internet fails for a bit? Now you can't even enjoy some nice single player. And a lot of people just buy them for the single player and don't necessarily play online much. So that's a big **** you to them. Ridiculous. The ONE is just a big brick of fail.

If you do not have a good internet connection, then I agree, this console is not going to be for you. I think MS is being pretty up front about that. A 24/7 internet connection is required for the vision they have for this console. (BTW, once in 24 hours is simply for checking in on the DRM. So if you have a internet connection, even if it is slower, for at least some time, playing SP shouldn't be an issue, any more than it is on the xbox 360).

I personally don't have a problem with that, as long as MS is being up front about it. It won't affect me, as I've had my xbox and my x360 hooked up to the internet from the day that LIVE launched, but I can see how it would upset people who don't have good internet.

The PS4 is a great alternative for those people though, and if MS has made decisions to drive those types of people away, then Sony for sure, should pick up those sales.

That's what competition is all about.

I would point out that I don't think you have carefully looked at what MS is saying with regards to the DRM set up and being able to share games. You are wrong about not being able to borrow from your buddy. If you are talking about the physical copy of a game, you would be able to do that once, assuming you both are friends on LIVE. However, with regards to digital copies, your buddy could be one of the 10 people in your "group" (or whatever MS is going to call it) and you or he would be able to access any of your games at any time, via the cloud. (Again this is dependent on you having internet). I just want to point this out because while MS is trying to move away from discs to digital media, the DRM system they are setting up looks and sounds like it could be really cool if you have some friends you like to game with. There should be a nice library of games for you to try out once people start buying digital games.

[the86d]

...2nd, if you're talking about modding a phone to block stuff, you are in the .00000001 of the population walking around with a smart phone that would actually do that. Everyone else, the 99.99999% of people with a smart phone are whatever risk you are worried about with all their internet devices, besides just an internet enabled console. So you are not talking real world, as it exists. You are talking geek world, based on the amount of effort you are willing to put in to do what you are talking about.

3rd. If you're that worried about MS using your info, then I hope you don't own a smart phone, or a TV with cable service and a DVR box or Tivo, or a computer with a browser with cookies enabled or anything else anyone does regarding to media or internet usage. I hope you are not on facebook, twitter, instagram or whatever else....

If a device is not rooted, then you can just factory it if it gets whacked (assuming it is not a Sidekick 4g ), as I stated.

I have a smartphone, and about 12 google accounts for single purposes, none of which have my name. They could possibly mine some data from e-mails for one, but that would be a LOT of work sorting out "Firstname Lastchicken" and such from the others... FB: not real name, not even close, although I DO have a FB account that never gets used signed in w/ a dedicated browser w/my real name, and the likes there are "Obama, Ponies, puppies, kittens, and such" for fun. I can't find myself in a 5 minute Google search. Thanks though. I DO have my info here and there, I just don't publish it every time it is asked. Not paranoid, just the monkey-wrench. Just saying...

[Merc1138]

First off, to rip on LIVE, not having experienced it, is just plain silly. LIVE was, and is a rock solid gaming experience. Features work the same across all games, all devs support all of them, and LIVE really has had no significant issues over the past 8 or 9 years in terms of running. Yes, there have been outages a couple of times, for 24 hours and some people fell victim to account hacking do to social media mining (and 3rd party dev servers getting hacked), but overall, it's been a great experience.

But with the new DRM, if MS has an outage, regardless of the fact that my internet connection works just fine... I can't even play single player games that I bought.

Sounds wonderful.

Sure, if a publisher of a PC game has an issue I wouldn't be able to play that either depending on the DRM scheme used. But there's a difference between being unable to play a game(or a few), and having a useless brick of a system.

Would such an event be rare? Yes. Is such a problem avoidable? Yes.

[blazeaglory]

No one freaks out when they have to sign into steam to play their PC games. All MS is doing is automating that process and having the console sign in once Ar night so the console is always authorized and ready to go.

Also, MS has said you can completlu shut the console down, if you want in functionality, except for a trickle to leave kinect on and able to respond only to " Xbox on"

Is there a possibility for your console to get hacked and to get spied on? Sure. But it's no more, than any other wifi Internet device with a camera and mic. Are you that worried abou your smart phone? Your laptop with built in camera? We all already have Internet enabled devices that have this danger.

I dont have a smart phone or a laptop with a camera. My desktop doesnt even have a camera...lol

The fact is, MS didnt have to do all that. PS4 isnt doing it, so why is microsoft? Plus, I would have to be logged in to play ANY game. What if I want to play on my boat? I dont have a connection on my boat, so Im screwed. What if I want to bring my xbox one to my cabin with no connection? Screwed again. What if MS has some kind of power outage or malfunction, Screwed again. No offline gameplay, even for NON multiplayer games.

Im not complaining but I will not buy Xbox one, thats for sure. My xbox 360 is more than enough and when I get a new system, it will probably be a PS3 or PS4

[Norsemen308]

i have no hard evidence, but going off of a client who works with blizzard, the rumor is this

the used game market was dominated by gamestop. What happened was developement groups got paid once for the product, gamestop sold that disc maybe 1-3 more times, raking in up to 10-25 bucks each time.

the new system as rumored would allow for the development groups to get some of the kick back. I think XBOX realizes if they screw the pooch they will funnel the masses into PS4, heck I like PS4 simply on the blue ray (as i did with PS3). What is rumored is offering a 15 dollar (or percentage based on time in market and price of OE game to the new "used" customer). So if game stop buys back your game for 30, sells it for 35, and you pay a ____fee sya 15 bucks your possibly ahead still for buying used. you just had to license it.

*DISCLAIMER*..... I HATE THIS MODEL, with a passion, but if they play smart they can get what the want without totally screwing the customer. I still think MS has started the NAZI game war and it will eventually bleed into everything, no way is blizzard or activision going to take a handout from MS and not do the same thing for other consoles.

who is should hurt the most is game stop, because they are going to HAVE to take a pay cut in the used market, it just depends on how greedy the licensing makes it.

[blazeaglory]

I have issues with this, as about 50% of the time when I have needed to activate a Windows OS, or went to update a game (I knew needed updating due to another console needing an update...) servers were being worked on, or unable to do what I needed, and I needed to try later. I don't play games on XBL, so I can't speak for playing on that though...

Honestly Ive never had a problem with XBL, so I cant knock it. I quite like it actually and have no problem paying $5 per month to use it.

Sure I would like it to be free but that aint gonna happen. Now even PS4 will charge, so were screwed either way I guess...

My smart TV can do pretty much everything my xbox can do, minuse a few things, so I guess XBL is just another way to make money for MS. I really dont care as much to complain about it though...Now Xbox One, I dont like...

[blazeaglory]

i have no hard evidence, but going off of a client who works with blizzard, the rumor is this

the used game market was dominated by gamestop. What happened was developement groups got paid once for the product, gamestop sold that disc maybe 1-3 more times, raking in up to 10-25 bucks each time.

the new system as rumored would allow for the development groups to get some of the kick back. I think XBOX realizes if they screw the pooch they will funnel the masses into PS4, heck I like PS4 simply on the blue ray (as i did with PS3). What is rumored is offering a 15 dollar (or percentage based on time in market and price of OE game to the new "used" customer). So if game stop buys back your game for 30, sells it for 35, and you pay a ____fee sya 15 bucks your possibly ahead still for buying used. you just had to license it.

*DISCLAIMER*..... I HATE THIS MODEL, with a passion, but if they play smart they can get what the want without totally screwing the customer. I still think MS has started the NAZI game war and it will eventually bleed into everything, no way is blizzard or activision going to take a handout from MS and not do the same thing for other consoles.

who is should hurt the most is game stop, because they are going to HAVE to take a pay cut in the used market, it just depends on how greedy the licensing makes it.

I kind of agree but developers make ****LOAD of cash for their games...

I dont mind paying a few dollars in royalties when I buy a used game but I am not going to pay out of the butt for a used game.

Like I said, developers make hundreds of millions of dollars when they release a new game, depending on its popularity...

[Iknownot]

But with the new DRM, if MS has an outage, regardless of the fact that my internet connection works just fine... I can't even play single player games.

Well, unless MS's network goes down world wide at the exact time your console has to reathorize, I don't see how that's ever going to be an issue. That's leaving aside the fact that LIVE had been pretty stable and reliable over its existence so far. I think I can only remember one or two outages and I don't think they got close to 24 hours. It's been a long time, so I can't even remember the details.

[Merc1138]

Well, unless MS's network goes down world wide at the exact time your console has to reathorize, I don't see how that's ever going to be an issue. That's leaving aside the fact that LIVE had been pretty stable and reliable over its existence so far. I think I can only remember one or two outages and I don't think they got close to 24 hours. It's been a long time, so I can't even remember the details.

The outage doesn't have to be 24 hours to cause a problem, it only has to be at the time your system decides to call home and still can't a few hours later(obviously MS isn't going to make it call home just once every 24 hours).

That's also assuming MS has an actual outage, rather than just getting DDoS'd.

My point still stands. If the phone home mechanism fails for any reason, your $500 console is a $500 brick until it comes back online.

[MrLawless1]

I don't know how perfect GameStop's model is. No doubt they make a lot of money from reselling used games and systems, but they also have a huge back stock of obsolete/old games. Go to GameStop and check out their inventory of PS2, N64, etc games. So yeah, if the used program is what we think it is with the XBoxOne, it might seriously impact their business and potentially even force them to cut back drastically on their store locations and employees.