When do you pay for a PPT?

[Condorguns]

As a FFL who does a lot of PPT's let me give you guys my view.

I prefer that you brings the firearm to me. Let me check the gun so I know it's safe. You guys can then go to a counter that is not in the way and inspect the gun. You make me nervous playing with the guns in the parking lot. I have no idea if the gun is loaded or unloaded, I have no idea if you are inspecting a gun, or getting ready to try and robs us. It makes me grouchy.

Money exchange needs to be done in such a way that I am not involved at all. California BOE has cracked down on us dealers in the last few years. If someone could argue that we in any way facilitated this exchange we have to collect sales tax. It's stupid and a pain in the behind. Don't put us in that situation.

As for the paperwork and who the gun belongs to. It's very cut and dry. Once the paperwork is signed I am not giving the firearm back to the original owner unless directed to do so by DOJ. If the buyer is denied DOJ will tell us if the seller is OK. If the seller is OK it goes back to him. If both are denied that firearm is turned into the PD within 24 hours.

Some pointers for PPT and working with the FFL. The inspection should be quick. You will not be spending 20 minutes taking a gun apart on the counter. Buyers and sellers should have all major questions about condition, price, and anything else taken care of way before you walk in the FFL's door. I have only once stopped a transfer and that was because the buyer and seller decided to very loudly argue about the price of the gun and who was paying the transfer fee. I told them to leave and come back when they could behave.

[CWDraco]

As a FFL who does a lot of PPT's let me give you guys my view.

I prefer that you brings the firearm to me. Let me check the gun so I know it's safe. You guys can then go to a counter that is not in the way and inspect the gun. You make me nervous playing with the guns in the parking lot. I have no idea if the gun is loaded or unloaded, I have no idea if you are inspecting a gun, or getting ready to try and robs us. It makes me grouchy.

Money exchange needs to be done in such a way that I am not involved at all. California BOE has cracked down on us dealers in the last few years. If someone could argue that we in any way facilitated this exchange we have to collect sales tax. It's stupid and a pain in the behind. Don't put us in that situation.

As for the paperwork and who the gun belongs to. It's very cut and dry. Once the paperwork is signed I am not giving the firearm back to the original owner unless directed to do so by DOJ. If the buyer is denied DOJ will tell us if the seller is OK. If the seller is OK it goes back to him. If both are denied that firearm is turned into the PD within 24 hours.

Some pointers for PPT and working with the FFL. The inspection should be quick. You will not be spending 20 minutes taking a gun apart on the counter. Buyers and sellers should have all major questions about condition, price, and anything else taken care of way before you walk in the FFL's door. I have only once stopped a transfer and that was because the buyer and seller decided to very loudly argue about the price of the gun and who was paying the transfer fee. I told them to leave and come back when they could behave.

bingo.

[maylebox]

I sold a gun through a ppt yesterday at Jackson Arms. I got there 15 minutes early with the cased gun and told them I was there to do a ppt and asked if they would like to inspect the gun. He said yes and proceeded to safety check it. During his inspection I asked if he preferred the buyer and I exchange money outside he said we could do it either way and thanks for asking. The buyer texted that he was 10 minutes away so the FFL started the sellers paperwork. Gun was BNIB so inspection was brief and I was out of there 5 minutes after meeting the seller.

[CWDraco]

I sold a gun through a ppt yesterday at Jackson Arms. I got there 15 minutes early with the cased gun and told them I was there to do a ppt and asked if they would like to inspect the gun. He said yes and proceeded to safety check it. During his inspection I asked if he preferred the buyer and I exchange money outside he said we could do it either way and thanks for asking. The buyer texted that he was 10 minutes away so the FFL started the sellers paperwork. Gun was BNIB so inspection was brief and I was out of there 5 minutes after meeting the seller.

as stated, FFLs do what they want, but like Condorguns said, if the gov finds out the FFL was involved with the money transfer, TAXES are due.

[cnj]

I personally never had an FFL Bit*h about doing the inspection/cash transfer inside their stores.

Turner's and Ammo Bros do not want the $ to transfer inside their store. I have been told this personally at both stores.

[JoshuaS]

I have never had an issue with doing the whole thing inside. But hey, if the FFL is overly paranoid about the money transfer, then I would do it outside if that is what he wants.

But no way am I handling firearms outside his store. Heck the cops were called because of someone carrying an empty rifle case leaving a store I go to. This same store, for this reason, insists on no handling outside and on actually locking cases before letting you take your gun to the car, just in case some bozo sees it and calls the cops again. (even though it wouldn't be illegal without the lock, due to it falling under the destination exceptions)

[jpx0123]

so the FFL just stands there while you two walk away and out of his store

no.. pretty much each time when they step away to make copies of my ID and proof of residence. i take that time as to try and not waste the FFL's time either. no perfect way to do this so that everyone is happy. just do the best i can to cover myself. there are a lot of bad people out there, gotta be careful.

i will say tho the last one i did the ffl was kind enough to wait. we were the first one's there when they opened and no one else was in the store so it worked out ok on that one.

[Mitch]

Some pointers for PPT and working with the FFL. The inspection should be quick. You will not be spending 20 minutes taking a gun apart on the counter. Buyers and sellers should have all major questions about condition, price, and anything else taken care of way before you walk in the FFL's door.

This sounds like simple common sense, but I understand how common sense is an uncommon virtue.

[jpx0123]

This sounds like simple common sense, but I understand how common sense is an uncommon virtue.

Yeah. I would never take that long. get everything out of the way by PM's first. meet at FFL. I do inspection, has never taken me longer than 2 mins to get it done.

it shouldn't be a long process, I definitely agree with that.

[prk]

Thanks for all the input folks. Please feel free to keep it coming. I haven't scored a PPT deal yet.

[DRPoolio]

Good stuff and perfect timing.

I'm doing my first PPT purchase tomorrow. I spoke with the FFL this afternoon but I think I'll go in and ask them when I arrive where and how they want us to handle the deal.

I would think a happy FFL could only make things easier. Especially these guys since it's the range I belong to.