When do you pay for a PPT?

[prk]

I've never done a PPT through a dealer and I figure you guys have this wired, so here it goes:

If you're buying a gun (or lower) via PPT, isn't there the possibility that there's an issue with the gun and it gets confiscated? Since this is the case, wouldn't payment be made at the time that the gun is picked up by the buyer? Doesn't this mean that (assuming it's cash), the seller has to go to the dealer twice, too? Do sellers go for this? Thanks.

[2011redrider]

All the dealers I have been to, payment is at time of lock up. Seller only goes at time of first transfer.

[GMG]

All the dealers I have been to, payment is at time of lock up. Seller only goes at time of first transfer.

This ^^^!

[Oceanbob]

Meet outside the FFL. Inspect the gun. If it's what you wanted, fork over the Cash to the seller. Then you both walk inside the FFL, do the paperwork. You pay the $35 fee. You go back alone in 10 days to pick up the gun.

Done deal.

[HotelCommiefornia]

Meet outside the FFL. Inspect the gun. If it's what you wanted, fork over the Cash to the seller. Then you both walk inside the FFL, do the paperwork. You pay the $35 fee. You go back alone in 10 days to pick up the gun.

Done deal.

Why meet outside the FFL and inspect the gun? The seller could be a baby psycho killer that may kill ya and take your money. The safest way is to inspect the gun at the FFL, with other people around, if you don't like it, you are not obligated to pay and go thru the transfer.

[HotelCommiefornia]

I've never done a PPT through a dealer and I figure you guys have this wired, so here it goes:

If you're buying a gun (or lower) via PPT, isn't there the possibility that there's an issue with the gun and it gets confiscated? Since this is the case, wouldn't payment be made at the time that the gun is picked up by the buyer? Doesn't this mean that (assuming it's cash), the seller has to go to the dealer twice, too? Do sellers go for this? Thanks.

Nope, the first time you meet the seller at the FFL to inspect the merchandise and if you are happy with it, you pay the seller and fill out the DOJ 4473 form, the seller will have to sign 1 or 2 dotted lines and show ID, the FFL takes custody of the lower/firearm, you come back 10 days later to pick up, the seller will not need to come back for a second time.

[Press Check]

Meet outside the FFL. Inspect the gun. If it's what you wanted, fork over the Cash to the seller. Then you both walk inside the FFL, do the paperwork. You pay the $35 fee. You go back alone in 10 days to pick up the gun.

Done deal.

This is proper etiquette.

[DSB]

Meet outside the FFL. Inspect the gun. If it's what you wanted, fork over the Cash to the seller. Then you both walk inside the FFL, do the paperwork. You pay the $35 fee. You go back alone in 10 days to pick up the gun.

Done deal.

This. I will add that the FFL always wants the cash transfer to take place outside their store (parking lot is fine).

[hellayella]

I always have buyer pay PPT...(included in the price of the stuff I'm selling)

[HotelCommiefornia]

This. I will add that the FFL always wants the cash transfer to take place outside their store (parking lot is fine).

I personally never had an FFL Bit*h about doing the inspection/cash transfer inside their stores.

[Press Check]

I personally never had an FFL Bit*h about doing the inspection/cash transfer inside their stores.

Some shops are obviously more tolerant of poor etiquette than others.

In all the PPT's I've been involved in as a seller, I had two buyers insist that the inspection and cash transaction take place inside of the store, and on both occasions, the employee noted that it should have taken place outside. Once was at Ammo Bros a long while back, and the other was Rifle Gear recently.

As a buyer, there's plenty of time to fondle, play with, function check, and inspect the firearm before the seller completes his end and is free to leave.

[readysetgo]

OTOH, do you think all FFLs want people "playing" with stuff out in the parking lot?

Just as an example, a store in Burbank is street parking, inspection on a busy sidewalk seems unwise. Another example could be tabletop FFLs, might not want you out front waving to the neighbors.

Personally I don't see it as bad etiquette to inspect and or transact inside the store. All parties should be aware we're ALL forced to do these transactions in this manner (@ FFL).

[ke6guj]

there is no right or wrong way to do a PPT. some FFLs want all inspections/money transfers to be done outside the store so it doesn't look like they are facilitating the deal in any way other than doing the paperwork, while others don't want anything done outside the store since bystanders might get the wrong idea about what is going on.

[CWDraco]

1- The buyer should pay outside of the store so the store is not involved if the transaction that goes bad. The Store isn't there for you to sell your stuff out of. I have seen Store owners toss a guys out because while he is doing the PPT the buyer and seller are dickering over price.

2- Never PPT a gun and not get paid for it before the paperwork is signed. Once the form is signed..the deal is DONE. The gun is the buyers period, end of the story. The FFL has no right to give the firearm to anyone other then the buyer after he clears his 10days. I have heard of guys only getting 1/2 their money listening to a buyers sob story about "what if I dont pass the background for unpaid parking tickets...I'll pay you the rest after I clear DROS." The second the forms are signed...the seller is OUT of the loop. This is another reason many store owners what the deal done outside their store. They want no part of the drama that can happen.

3- If the buyer doesnt pass DROS, they get 30 days to clear it up or the seller gets a chance at getting the gun back if they pass a DROS... Some FFLs will just turn the firearm over to the local PD...and the seller doesn't have to give you the money back....its a CIVIL matter...its NOT criminal.

4- Never ship a firearm without declaring it as a firearm. The old, "machine parts" and "Sports equipment" doesn't cut it. If the shipment is lost/stolen...you don't get a dime back even with insurance if you lie about the contents.

5- Shipping insurance covers the SHIPPER, not the buyer. If you are selling a firearm for $400 and the shipment gets lost...you and ONLY you can file for the loss for the declared value. The money "should" be returned to the buyer. Hilarity ensues when buyer claims shipment never reached his FFL or that the box was filled with rocks...I never ship firearms for that reason....because the insurance doesn't cover a package that WAS delivered.

[jpx0123]

I've always done the inspection inside the store. If that's not proper etiquette I do apologize. But I do this because I thought you are not allowed to have a firearm out of its case in public. Am I incorrect in this?