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  • hylander
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 3850

    11 day wait ?

    A local shop here makes you wait 11 days to pick up a firearm.
    Is that legal them holding your firearm an extra day past the legal 10 day wait.
    I questioned them about it and they got really irritated and defensive.
    Their only answer was it is store policy to Cover their Butts.
    The guys first answer was " Why do you think Wal Mart got busted, it was for letting guns go before the 10 days"
    I said waiting the required ten 24 hr. period is not letting the gun go out early, so why do you add another day, To which he got irritated and would not talk anymore.
    To me they are not in the right and holding the firearm illegally.
    I don't recall reading any laws that say a shop can hold a firearm longer than the required ten 24 hr. period.
    Last edited by hylander; 08-11-2008, 5:09 PM.
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    CSACANNONEER
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    • Dec 2006
    • 44093

    It's common policy for many shops. If you don't like it, don't do bussiness with them. If you need your gun in exactly 10 24 hour periods, maybe you should have planned a little better. BTW, I don't recall any law that says a shop can not hold a firearm longer than the minimum required period.
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    • #3
      nobs11
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      • Jun 2008
      • 1381

      Some shops do it to be safe. If they screw up and some employee doesn't check the exact time you DROS'ed and hands over the gun an hour early to an undercover DOJ or a cop, they are in trouble.

      It is not illegal for them to do so. The law says what you cannot do, not what you can do. The law does not say that the firearm must be handed over after exactly 10 days and no more no less. Some store owner might shut down the store and go off on a month long vacation with the kids while you are sitting on your butt waiting for your gun. That is bad business but not illegal. Don't like it? Don't give him your money.
      Last edited by nobs11; 08-10-2008, 10:40 AM.

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      • #4
        hylander
        Veteran Member
        • Oct 2005
        • 3850

        Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
        It's common policy for many shops. If you don't like it, don't do bussiness with them. If you need your gun in exactly 10 24 hour periods, maybe you should have planned a little better. BTW, I don't recall any law that says a shop can not hold a firearm longer than the minimum required period.
        I'm not sure about "Common Policy" I have never seen or heard of any other shop doing this.
        Never said I needed it in exactly 10 days, and I do plan, I plan to have it in the required legal time, not a time that shop determines its ok for me to have it.
        I don't recall any laws saying a Auto shop can't hold your car a couple days after the repairs are done either, but I'll bet you want your car back when it finished.
        And no I don't like and have takin my business elsewhere.
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          hylander
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          • Oct 2005
          • 3850

          Some store owner might shut down the store and go off on a month long vacation with the kids while you are sitting on your butt waiting for your gun. That is bad business but not illegal. Don't like it? Don't give him your money.
          Thats nice;
          So instead of waiting the 10 days, I would now get to wait the 30 days he was gone, then start the 10 day wait again and pay another Dros fee because its been over 30 days and I didn't take posession.
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          • #6
            hawk1
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            • Dec 2005
            • 7555

            When you pick it up just ask him if it's him or his employees that are too ignorant to count 10 days. He'll get the message.
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            • #7
              CSACANNONEER
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              • Dec 2006
              • 44093

              Originally posted by hylander
              I'm not sure about "Common Policy" I have never seen or heard of any other shop doing this.
              Never said I needed it in exactly 10 days, and I do plan, I plan to have it in the required legal time, not a time that shop determines its ok for me to have it.
              I don't recall any laws saying a Auto shop can't hold your car a couple days after the repairs are done either, but I'll bet you want your car back when it finished.
              And no I don't like and have takin my business elsewhere.
              I personally know of more shops that use the 11 day rule than the 10 - 24 hour period rule and I've done bussiness with many shops through out the state over the last 20+ years. So, read what I wrote again. I said that it's "common policy for many shops" and at many shops it is their "common policy". Why don't you use the search function? You will see that this topic has been covered many times regarding many different shops.
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              • #8
                hylander
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                • Oct 2005
                • 3850

                Originally posted by hawk1
                When you pick it up just ask him if it's him or his employees that are too ignorant to count 10 days. He'll get the message.
                I don't have anything there I'm waiting on.
                I have bought there in the past, but won't anymore.
                RCGE gets all my business, they actually know how to count
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                • #9
                  HowardW56
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                  • Aug 2003
                  • 5901

                  Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                  I personally know of more shops that use the 11 day rule than the 10 - 24 hour period rule and I've done bussiness with many shops through out the state over the last 20+ years. So, read what I wrote again. I said that it's "common policy for many shops" and at many shops it is their "common policy". Why don't you use the search function? You will see that this topic has been covered many times regarding many different shops.
                  I don't know how common it is, but I have encountered it a few times...

                  As long as they are up front about it, it really isn't a big deal...
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                  • #10
                    RobG
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                    • Dec 2006
                    • 4887

                    This was hashed out a while back. Several shops were known to do so even though the law states "10 24 hour periods." I think its BS personally and would not deal with that shop. RCGE is a great place, good call going there

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                    • #11
                      CSACANNONEER
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                      • Dec 2006
                      • 44093

                      Originally posted by HowardW56
                      I don't know how common it is, but I have encountered it a few times...

                      As long as they are up front about it, it really isn't a big deal...
                      Again, you guys are mis reading what I wrote. I never said that it was common for stores to have this policy. I said that at many stores it is thier "common policy". Also, I agree with you, as long as the shop communicates their policy, it should be fine. Besides, if someone really needs a gun so badly that they can't wait a few more hours (not neccessarly another whole 24 hour period, just until the date changes), it sends up a red flag for me.

                      BTW, I've had to wait 12 and maybe even 13 days before just because the shop was closed on the 10th and 11th day. Should this be tolerated? Or, should gunshops have to be open exactly 240 hour from every DROS?
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                      • #12
                        nobs11
                        Banned
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 1381

                        Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                        Besides, if someone really needs a gun so badly that they can't wait a few more hours (not neccessarly another whole 24 hour period, just until the date changes), it sends up a red flag for me.

                        BTW, I've had to wait 12 and maybe even 13 days before just because the shop was closed on the 10th and 11th day. Should this be tolerated? Or, should gunshops have to be open exactly 240 hour from every DROS?
                        If they communicate this to the customer clearly, usually that's not a problem. People get PO'ed when they have to drive 50 miles to the store to find it closed or that they won't release the gun even if the 240 hours are up. Has happened to me in the past, don't give them my business anymore. Now deal with a FFL who calls me every time he is leaving town and I am waiting for a pickup.

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                        • #13
                          RobG
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                          • Dec 2006
                          • 4887

                          Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                          Besides, if someone really needs a gun so badly that they can't wait a few more hours (not neccessarly another whole 24 hour period, just until the date changes), it sends up a red flag for me.

                          Red flag? For myself, I am stoked to get a new gun, like a kid on Christmas morn. Impatience may not be a virtue but shouldn't send up red flags either.

                          BTW, I've had to wait 12 and maybe even 13 days before just because the shop was closed on the 10th and 11th day. Should this be tolerated? Or, should gunshops have to be open exactly 240 hour from every DROS?
                          That happens quite a bit. Lots of shops are closed Sun., Mon, or whatever. But, if they are open and the 240 hours is up, they need to give you the gun you paid and waited for as the state has required.

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                          • #14
                            dgey
                            Member
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 431

                            10 day complaints ? most of you weren't around when CA had a 15 day wait period. This 10 day thing is a piece of cake...
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                            • #15
                              CSACANNONEER
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                              • Dec 2006
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                              Originally posted by dgey
                              10 day complaints ? most of you weren't around when CA had a 15 day wait period. This 10 day thing is a piece of cake...
                              Yea, I had to wait 15 days for a few. Then again, I remember cash and carry longguns at Gemco, Sears, Montgomery Ward's, etc. as well as buying guns at garage sales.
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