Future weapons and 5.56mm

[Rob454]

I say we test it on him. if he falls down screaming I bet he changes his tune.
Getting shot by anything is gonna hurt the caliber doesnt really matter IMO
Rob

[1lostinspace]

No offense but I hate when people mention the IDF everytime a thread comes up like this. I was talking about martial arts the other day and the IDF gets mentioned and the guy said Krav Maga is the best or whatever because the IDF uses it. Am I the only one that doesn't think the IDF is the best army in the world? I think anything would work against a bunch of third world rock throwers. IDF doesn't own just because they can beat down the Palestininians.
Yeah I said it and no I'm not an anti-jewish either just a realist.

I have talked martial arts with you before....
As far as Krav been the best martial art, far from true. A combat version of MMA is what the US military has choose and have made the right choice.
I have seen it all from Karate masters that fly through the air to the best Brazil,Japan, US and the rest of the world has to offer. In combat the Spartans used Pankration the Samurai used Jujitsu basically Pankration with a Gi. Pankration is the modern day MMA, the combat version has biting eye gouging and anything else you can think of.

[dwtt]

writing the specs. so who ordered those specs dwtt? working in gov't contract you could not tie your own shoe laces without being told what to do. please, conspirator enough amusing everyone here.
rotfl....you a SME? lol.

I was willing to give csmintel the benefit of the doubt, but he's confirmed he's just a troll with his nonsense.
Specs aren't ordered like a pizza, FYI. But then, csmintel is the one who thinks the US uses 5.56ammo because the contractors are protecting their contracts. He also thinks the US has inferior weapons because the contractors determine what we use. The stuff he writes is entertaining though.

[1lostinspace]

I was willing to give csmintel the benefit of the doubt, but he's confirmed he's just a troll with his nonsense.
Specs aren't ordered like a pizza, FYI. But then, csmintel is the one who thinks the US uses 5.56ammo because the contractors are protecting their contracts. He also thinks the US has inferior weapons because the contractors determine what we use. The stuff he writes is entertaining though.

Entertaining yes but he still has not answered my question


What is this weapon that outperforms the M16 and what is caliber it uses?

[M. Sage]

Out of all the videos of I have seen of the sandbox they are in FA or burst, single shots are used for pin point shots. But I am with you on the single shot, I would like to make them count.

But back on subject the 5.56mm especially with MOD1 or any BTHP will kill just fine.

Everybody I know who's former military (and actually carried a gun) has said that single was the preferred mode, and the way they were trained. Like Cav said, burst or FA is for suppressing. It's for shooting at people more than for shooting them.

BTW: Yugo 7.62x39mm was what I was referencing: http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost....87&postcount=1

5.45 has been a bit of a disappointment for the Russians from what I understand. They were so impressed with 5.56, they tried to "copy" it, and failed from what I understand.

[hybridatsun350]

5.45 has been a bit of a disappointment for the Russians from what I understand. They were so impressed with 5.56, they tried to "copy" it, and failed from what I understand.

Pretty much sounds like Russian history post-1945...

The copy is never as good as the original. Their space shuttle comes to mind.

[1lostinspace]

Pretty much sounds like Russian history post-1945...

The copy is never as good as the original. Their space shuttle comes to mind.

That's because they failed to understand fragmentation. The round they use has a thick jacket heavier with lower FPS and has an air pocket in front of it to make it yaw.

They now have switched to Nato spec 5.56mm

[1lostinspace]

Everybody I know who's former military (and actually carried a gun) has said that single was the preferred mode, and the way they were trained. Like Cav said, burst or FA is for suppressing. It's for shooting at people more than for shooting them.

BTW: Yugo 7.62x39mm was what I was referencing: http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost....87&postcount=1

5.45 has been a bit of a disappointment for the Russians from what I understand. They were so impressed with 5.56, they tried to "copy" it, and failed from what I understand.

the link you send appears that the 5.45 is just as effective as the new Yugo round.

Either way they are not the 5.56mm The mouse round is perfect for the job

The 7.62x39 SP looks great!

[Max-the-Silent]

All "X v. Y" caliber discussions are rooted in ego, not reality.

Shot placement and marksmanship rule the day - there are no such things as magic bullets or magic calibers.

The 5.56 is not a perfect solution for all problems, which is why the Table of Organization and Equipment includes 7.62 GPMG's and .50 caliber HMG's.

The 5.56 and the 16 system is easy to train non-shooters on, and the weight of the ammo and mags allows you to carry more - and If someone is trained well and can keep their head, they won't go through all of it in one fight.

A poster metioned Israel and the 16. They got them from the U.S. as aid, so why not use them? the Galil was always more of a profit center (export sales) than a commitment to G.I issue.

[Solidsnake87]

I have seen a few episodes where he is shooting metal silhouettes with 5.56mm hitting low on target, and 6.5mm or 6.8 or what ever else round he is shooting hitting the target high knocking it over.

+1. He is a weapon idiot and a tool, regardless of the fact that he is a former seal and sniper. It seems strange that somebody from such professions would lack so much weapon proficiency. I've seen the guy call a 7.62x39 a .308 and have seen him shoot the HK 416 without sites at 25 yards and call it the "most accurate carbine ever" in that annoyed dramatic whisper. Arrrg! I could go on and on. Getting back to the point though, he did similar crap when that Kriss SMG came out. He claimed the "9mm lacks stopping power" so he shoots an MP5 at the middle of a steel target and it does not fall over. He then shoots the .45 at the top of the same target and what do you know, IT FELL OVER! lol, this kind of crap has got to be rehearsed and he must get serious bank for all of his BS propoganda. Its sad to think that a lot of people might be fooled by progam.

[robitrocks]

Hey I agree that the dude on Futureweapons is complete tool, but this thread all over the flippin place. This is as bad as Arfcom.

[dwtt]

Hey I agree that the dude on Futureweapons is complete tool, but this thread all over the flippin place. This is as bad as Arfcom.

Hey, what are you doing? Ruining our fun?

sorry, I just had to.

[1lostinspace]

Hey I agree that the dude on Futureweapons is complete tool, but this thread all over the flippin place. This is as bad as Arfcom.

don't kill the party, join it.

[redneckshootist]

I hate how people hunt deer with a bow and arrow.

I hate how people knock bow hunters cause they don't know how to use one correctly.

[1lostinspace]

I hate how people knock bow hunters cause they don't know how to use one correctly.

You should stop the hate. Since I am a newbie to bow hunting educate me.
I have seen numerous deer shot and run off to die somewhere
So explain to me how does it work is the deer not in pain? I am not trying to be a smart *** I just want to know how does it work? Does the arrow numb the deer some how? If I learned how to use a bow would take the deers pain away some how? I choose 30-06 with a 125 Nosler they don't feel a thing!!