What NOT to do when pulled over

[HighLander51]

Update

State Police officers Anthony Luna and Elias Montoya arrive soon after. Luna rushes to DeTavis' side and asks if the people in the minivan have a gun. According to Luna's supplemental State Police report, DeTavis tells Luna, "I don't know." The dash cam audio is unclear.

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[dwtt]

So you've got some crazy lady in a vehicle that clearly has no regard for the safety of her occupants or the lives of others. You got a punk kid that has already shown a willingness to assault an officer. You've got god-knows-what inside of the van and god-knows-who willing to use it.

So officer is supposed casually reach into the vehicle and remove the keys from the ignition? Officer is supposed to walk, exposed and w/o back up in the FRONT of the vehicle and lay out a spike strip?

What planet do you live on, man???????

I'm sure all those pissing and moaning at the officer trying to shoot out the tires would be just fine with this lady taking off...FOR THE 3rd FREAKIN' TIME...and plowing her minivan full of occupants into a crowd if innocents?? I'm sure in that scenario everyone would be commending the officers for using good restraint, right?

It's clear some people here have no experience dealing with people from the ghetto. This is exactly how they behave all the time, and it's not over reaction by the cops in this case. We see this all the time in DC across the river.

[SactoDoug]

It kind of reminds me of this video:

[Shasta Frog]

welcome the new guy to cal guns. It wasnt sarcastic at all. MOST PDs use of force policies allow leo to use deadly force to stop a fleeing felon. Yeah the van was full of kids, the driver decided not to comply with leo and flee. THERE FORE PUTTING HER SELF, HER KIDS AND OTHER DRIVERS AT RISK. I dunno about you but my family drives on roadways and Id be pretty pissed if they plowed into my family fleeing for law enforcement over something stupid.

I'd be pretty pissed if that cop shot and killed INNOCENT kids.

[DrScorpio]

I'd also be pretty pissed too if that crazy lady got innocent children killed.

[bob7122]

I'd have to take a guess and say the officer(opening fire) just arrived to a chaotic scene with an officer having been attacked by multiple people probably wouldn't know anything about the contents of the vehicle other than two of the people inside may have just tried to kill a cop and are now speeding away. Mom should be in prison for endangering all those children, the officers, and every other person she endangered during the chase.

You are 100% correct and that still doesn't justify the use of deadly force. Watch the video again.

yes it does, black male charging officer... officer arrives and just sees vehicle driving off AND/OR only knows what the radio says AND/OR just sees the part of the black male charging the officer and reacts accordingly.

it looks like he is shooting the tires too. but the one who is to blame for everything is the mother for being a dumb woman.

[Dee_Dub]

It's clear some people here have no experience dealing with people from the ghetto. This is exactly how they behave all the time, and it's not over reaction by the cops in this case. We see this all the time in DC across the river.

Nailed it

[Dee_Dub]

I'd be pretty pissed if that cop shot and killed INNOCENT kids.

no **** as would I, however Their *MOTHER* put them in the situation there for being responsible

[SactoDoug]

Fleeing from LE, even in a vehicle, is not justification for use of deadly force. Also, the use of deadly force is only allowed to stop the perpetrator. It is not a blank check to shoot innocent by-standers such as the children in the van.

[BakoJ]

I'm ok with all the officers' actions.

[CK_32]

Yea I've seen that chick was stuuuuupppiiidddd......



Amazes me idiots like her lasted this long. I feel this was fully justified especially finding out he wasn't shooting the kids but at the tires.

[Calgunner739]

I'd have to take a guess and say the officer(opening fire) just arrived to a chaotic scene with an officer having been attacked by multiple people probably wouldn't know anything about the contents of the vehicle other than two of the people inside may have just tried to kill a cop and are now speeding away. Mom should be in prison for endangering all those children, the officers, and every other person she endangered during the chase.

Vehicle was driving away/officers not in imminent danger. Check
Didn't know what he was shooting at/what was down range of target. Check

How would a regular citizen get away with doing this? He wouldn't.

[SVT-40]

I'd also be pretty pissed too if that crazy lady got innocent children killed.

But none were...... So why even make the statement...

In fact it appears that none of the rounds even struck the body of the van, indicating as the officer said that he was shooting at the tires to disable the vehicle....

Fleeing from LE, even in a vehicle, is not justification for use of deadly force. Also, the use of deadly force is only allowed to stop the perpetrator. It is not a blank check to shoot innocent by-standers such as the children in the van.

Gee which "innocent bystanders" or any person for that matter were hit by any rounds???

That would be zero...So no one was shot....

As above, the officer said he was shooting at the tires to disable the vehicle...NOT at the persons in the vehicle.

So it's up to the department to decide if that act violated any department policy....

[SVT-40]

Vehicle was driving away/officers not in imminent danger. Check
Didn't know what he was shooting at/what was down range of target. Check

How would a regular citizen get away with doing this? He wouldn't.

How would a "regular citizen" be put in a similar situation??? They wouldn't.....

So it's a flawed comparison....

"Regular citizens" don't make traffic stops...Check

"Regular citizens" don't engage in high speed pursuits.....Check.....

[SactoDoug]

Gee which "innocent bystanders" or any person for that matter were hit by any rounds???

That would be zero...So no one was shot....

As above, the officer said he was shooting at the tires to disable the vehicle...NOT at the persons in the vehicle.

So it's up to the department to decide if that act violated any department policy....

Because as long as no one gets hurt, then reckless behavior is tolerable.