Lessons learned from LAX shooting?

[edgerly779]

Likely scenario is good guy pulls gun shoots bad guy cops show up and shoot good guy because they shoot first and ask later. They even shoot unarmed men and women every day. They shoot into crowds with joyous abandon in new york.

[Artema]

As much as I see TSA as glorified DMV employees, I don't think anyone should be restricted from being armed for self defense. Would THAT cause problems also? I can see some mouth breathing "AGENT" getting spat on (happens a lot) and pulling his gun. But I believe in punishment for crimes, not prevention of crime to the point of restricting freedoms.

[REH]

I read this morning that the TSA union wants to arm their people. With the talent I see in the TSA ranks, a gun fight breaking out with people standing in line, with no shoes or belt, four or five feet from the agent, is not good.

[Sutcliffe]

Of course they want to be armed

I read this morning that the TSA union wants to arm their people. With the talent I see in the TSA ranks, a gun fight breaking out with people standing in line, with no shoes or belt, four or five feet from the agent, is not good.

It means more money for doing the most basic of jobs you could teach an effing monkey.

There are plenty of cops stationed at airports. It seems like they got to this shooter pretty damned quickly.

[romadant]

IF the government was actually serious about "safety" at airports -

And not just interested in wasting tax payer dollars on "feel good" bullcrap -

They would require ALL bags to be checked at the curb -

And scanning to happen BEFORE you entered the airports.

Include "racial / pattern profiling" into the list of tactics PROVEN to work -

But we've become to p-whipped and PC to actually implement....

Racial/pattern profiling would be a HUGE step in the right direction.

The last two times I've flown I've been with my Wife and 2 daughters - 2 years old and 9 months old. We are white (just for reference), clean cut, and look like your average American family. We are constantly pulled aside by TSA to dig through our bags and swipe every bit of baby food and formula we carry. At O'Hare they pulled me aside and patted me from head to toe and scanned the gloves afterward. I have no problem with this if they knew of a credible or past threat where a white family, or group acting as one, tried to sneak explosives onto a plane while flying with infants. I doubt it though. They're so worried about profiling that they let people they should be checking go while pulling families aside for this type of crap.

We have Israeli friends who live in the US. The Israeli counterpart to TSA has no problem profiling. They will ask you about your Jewish faith and question you on things a Jewish person should know. They will pull people aside based on race if something they are doing or something about the way they are traveling raises a flag. They have zero interest in protecting anyone's feelings and only care about safety.

Yet... somehow we can't learn from them because we too PC.

[Gemini Effect]

It means more money for doing the most basic of jobs you could teach an effing monkey.

There are plenty of cops stationed at airports. It seems like they got to this shooter pretty damned quickly.

Yup, I agree with this completely.

There's officers out there with such high level sof attention and readiness, they jump on you for being parked and the drop-off curbs for longer than like 20 seconds, lol.

[SmallShark]

bigger "Gun Free Zone" sign, clearly the gunman didnt know that is a Gun Free Zone

[SemperFi1775]

Racial/pattern profiling would be a HUGE step in the right direction.

The last two times I've flown I've been with my Wife and 2 daughters - 2 years old and 9 months old. We are white (just for reference), clean cut, and look like your average American family. We are constantly pulled aside by TSA to dig through our bags and swipe every bit of baby food and formula we carry. At O'Hare they pulled me aside and patted me from head to toe and scanned the gloves afterward. I have no problem with this if they knew of a credible or past threat where a white family, or group acting as one, tried to sneak explosives onto a plane while flying with infants. I doubt it though. They're so worried about profiling that they let people they should be checking go while pulling families aside for this type of crap.

We have Israeli friends who live in the US. The Israeli counterpart to TSA has no problem profiling. They will ask you about your Jewish faith and question you on things a Jewish person should know. They will pull people aside based on race if something they are doing or something about the way they are traveling raises a flag. They have zero interest in protecting anyone's feelings and only care about safety.

Yet... somehow we can't learn from them because we too PC.

maybe one of your bags/clothes have traces of gun powder....

i've been through security at tel avi airport... it takes a good 60 minutes to pass through 2 interviews before one is allowed to check-in...that's if you have your stuff together...

[skilletboy]

1. I also CONTINUE to learn that regardless of the facts and obvious lessons these incidents teach us, the anti's don't care and will continue to lie and manipulate to whatever end they want.

2. I grow increasingly convinced that the legislative process will not alone protect our rights - and I include all our rights in this not just 2A rights.

[IntoForever]

We can prevent this from happening again by getting rid of the TSA. Would also help to get rid of gun-grabbers and their idiot laws!

[kentactic]

^^^ disagree. We might not have the strictest laws, but I would not call what Cali has reasonable. I own close to 100 guns and have a CCW, yet have to wait 10 days to get another gun. That's ridiculous IMO.

Where do you keep these 100 guns?... mind if we take a look at them?.... Just tell us which room their in... we don't want to arrest you we just want to make sure they're secured....

[doctor_vals]

I was just thinking there are two key lessons learned and reenforced from the LAX shooting;

1. A good guy with a gun can and will stop a bad guy with a gun.

2. Gun laws are not the answer to stopping this kind of violence. California has some of the strictest gun laws in the country and what do you know it still happens.

Hopefully those facts will be food for thought for the anti's.

Are you sure that they able think logically? I don't think so.

maybe one of your bags/clothes have traces of gun powder....

i've been through security at tel avi airport... it takes a good 60 minutes to pass through 2 interviews before one is allowed to check-in...that's if you have your stuff together...

I went through T-A airport security less than 15 min.
I spoke with 2 girls and 1 guy, then they check bag in their machine - and I went to registration.

At Frankfurt airport I saw how German custom works.
It was 4 5 lines and people went through very quick.
2 people on front of me -were muslim couple.
And as soon as they give their passports - my line stocked.
And as you can imagine - you are not allow to change line - just stay and wait. So, we waited almost 15 min; other 2 custom officers came and they asked a LOT of questions, before they allow that couple pass by.
And again everything was very quick. Show them your passport got stamp and just go.
And yes, because of that
they do have security in airports; we don't.

[bellwilliam]

Racial/pattern profiling would be a HUGE step in the right direction.

..........and look like your average American family. We are constantly pulled aside by TSA to dig through our bags,

they sure racial profiled you....Ted Kaczynski and Timothy McVeigh are both white, I agree TSA should strip search every white passengers.

[Sutcliffe]

An observation from going through Frankfurt recently

Are you sure that they able think logically? I don't think so.




I went through T-A airport security less than 15 min.
I spoke with 2 girls and 1 guy, then they check bag in their machine - and I went to registration.

At Frankfurt airport I saw how German custom works.
It was 4 5 lines and people went through very quick.
2 people on front of me -were muslim couple.
And as soon as they give their passports - my line stocked.
And as you can imagine - you are not allow to change line - just stay and wait. So, we waited almost 15 min; other 2 custom officers came and they asked a LOT of questions, before they allow that couple pass by.
And again everything was very quick. Show them your passport got stamp and just go.
And yes, because of that
they do have security in airports; we don't.

We weren't required to remove our shoes. I suppose being part of the EU that other EU Countries would share this tactic. Why are we the only ones doing this? It doesn't make much sense.

[romadant]

they sure racial profiled you....Ted Kaczynski and Timothy McVeigh are both white, I agree TSA should strip search every white passengers.

Were those two traveling with a wife and toddlers/babys?