1911+loaded+holster=dangerous?

[Uglyd]

So i was talking to a couple of guys today that have worked security and they where saying that a loaded holstered 1911 (one in the chamber) is dangerous and stupid?

Can someone explain?

I can, they're idiots. As mentioned previously that is precisely how 1911's were meant to be carried. When I lived in GA and had a carry permit for 10 years I carried a 1911 cocked, locked and loaded. I would practice at an outdoor range (and still do) with the pistol ready to roll. In the event of an incident in which I'd need it I sure as hell don't wanna count on having two hands to rack a slide.

[Maddawg46]

I carry a Colt Officers cocked and locked. That is the way the 1911 was designed to carry. Why is it dangerous. If you flip the safety off, hold the gun and have the grip safety pushed in, and pull the trigger, it will fire. Just as designed. What's the problem?

[gorn5150]

Urban legend. That story along with the capt. who had his gun go full auto when he hung it on a coat hook in a bathroom stall were all over the place when I was in the academy. According to the DT instructor who was one of Concord's range masters also, it never happened. At least the full auto parts of the stories never happened. As far as the nd in the bathroom he would neither confirm or deny that one.

I was a cadet with CPD when the tests happened. Don Mclennan did the test. The Captain (Steve Tamborski) who shot him self in the *** had hung the pistol on the coat hook in the toilet stall. When he went to take it off the hanger he hit the trigger on the hook. Steve was a long time range master and really should have known better.

[jay_cue]

the gun isn't going to shoot itself. plus there's the grip safety and manual safety

[Mute]

Actually if you drop a Series 70 1911 muzzle first from a few feet it can very easily discharge.

More like six feet or higher directly onto it's muzzle and MAY fire. Hardly easily discharged.

[jonzer77]

More like six feet or higher directly onto it's muzzle and MAY fire. Hardly easily discharged.

Shhhh.....he saw it on a youtube video so it must be true.

[dobek]

All day - every day

Steve

[CrippledPidgeon]

Depends on who you are.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE

That's 100% user error. A lack of trigger discipline during a draw can result in you or the guy next to you getting shot. Many people don't realize that keeping a gun in a holster virtually ensures that you are violating the rule stating that you never point the gun at anything you're not willing to put a hole in (usually your leg). Because of this, you cannot violate any other rules, or else someone is going to get hurt eventually.

But anyway, overall, a 1911 in Condition 1 is a good compromise between safety (unloaded is safer...) and speed (unloaded is slower...). That being said, like any gun that's carried cocked (whether that be a BHP, USP, etc.), it's not as safe as say a Glock, which is not naturally in a cocked status. It only takes mechanical wear for a cocked firearm to be more dangerous than it should, as opposed to a Glock, which is only partially cocked, so even if safeties fail, the spring probably won't give the firing pin enough energy to set off the primer.

[12voltguy]

That's 100% user error. .

ya like I said,depends on WHO you are

[Ritchie8719]

Any serviceman who "carried" his Colt condition one on watch was out of line, just like any who carried his 1903 Springfield that way.

Civilian self defense is different from military readiness.

[kentactic]

All day - every day

Steve

Printing hardcore

[redcliff]

That being said, like any gun that's carried cocked (whether that be a BHP, USP, etc.), it's not as safe as say a Glock, which is not naturally in a cocked status. It only takes mechanical wear for a cocked firearm to be more dangerous than it should, as opposed to a Glock, which is only partially cocked, so even if safeties fail, the spring probably won't give the firing pin enough energy to set off the primer.

From a mechanical standpoint, perhaps; from a user standpoint I most strongly disagree.

In a ten year period the Washing D.C. police alone experienced 120 negligent discharges with their Glocks. The problems experienced by the NYPD which resulted in the "NY Trigger" are well known.

User error is many times more common of a cause for unintended discharges than mechanical failure.

[CrippledPidgeon]

From a mechanical standpoint, perhaps; from a user standpoint I most strongly disagree.

I was looking at it from a purely mechanical standpoint, but I just didn't say it very clearly. A gun that isn't cocked in its ready state (like a Glock) is less likely to ND in the event of mechanical wear than a gun that is (like a 1911).

User error is many times more common of a cause for unintended discharges than mechanical failure.

I can't remember where I heard this, but: if you design something to be foolproof, you'll always find someone who will attempt to prove you wrong.

I once saw (okay, not saw, but saw the aftermath) a guy who decided to "decock" his 1911 while putting the gun back into his holster. The round that then exited the muzzle of the pistol ricocheted off the inside of his kydex holster, and exited away from his leg. The lucky bstd ended up with some metal splinters in his foot, but that was about the extent of his injuries.

[Garyson1311]

I still think that condition 1 aka cocked and locked is the only way to carry a 1911 with a thumb safety.

[dobek]

Printing hardcore

LOL - - - I was wondering why the AM/PM guys are so accommodating when I say "gimme $20 worth on #5"

Steve




(and NO, concealed means concealed - that was at work during the winter - jacket was my cover garment - - - but I walk around office like that - - - It's good to be the king!)