1911+loaded+holster=dangerous?

[JDay]

Galco says not to carry a cocked 1911 in their shoulder holsters. But i think that's just to cover themselves incase some idiot shoots themselves while drawing.

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[Gem1950]

The 1911 has four safety features - Half cock, thumb safety, grip safety and the one between your ears!

[russ69]

There is some risk. I have had the safety slip off when in a cheap holster. You also have to take the gun off of safety to unload it and you also have to have it cocked when you reload it to go back to condition one.
If you are going to carry daily, a bucket of sand for a safe aiming spot while loading makes some sense, just in case.

[jben]

There is a slight hazard if you carry it with one in the chamber and the hammer down...but then it wouldn't be "cocked and locked"...

[jonzer77]

Actually if you drop a Series 70 1911 muzzle first from a few feet it can very easily discharge.

Saying that it can very easily discharge is false, but it is possible.

[tbc]

Interesting video clip Jesse. Thanks for sharing.

IMO,
gun + dumbass = dangerous.


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[jonzer77]

You're taking my words out of context. I said "if you drop a Series 70 1911 muzzle first from a few feet it can very easily discharge." Which is the conclusion from the testers in the video.

This is why Colt and Kimber came up with the Schwartz safety and the Series 80 guns.

I didn't take anything out of context since I simply repeated what you said. It is possible for a series 70 1911 to discharge but I wouldn't say it can easily happen which is what you are saying.

[Deadon]

Carried one for two years now without a problem.

[Dannicus]

Again you don't seem to understand the difference between the two. I am saying when certain parameters are met, the gun is easy to discharge. I am not just saying in general the guns are easy to discharge.

There are alot of normally highly unlikely things that can be made to happen easily "when certain parameters are met".

[Xanatos]

Could you tell me how I'm wrong?

Enough inertia can be obtained by dropping a Series 70 1911 with a steel firing pin and weakened firing pin spring to compress the spring enough to strike the primer.

http://vuurwapenblog.com/2010/11/23/1911-drop-testing/

"I was amazed at how easily a Series 70 1911 could be drop fired"



http://drakesgunworks.com/Drop_Testing.html

Congrats! You proved an out of spec gun is unsafe. Would you also like to prove that a gun with a malfunctioning trigger is unsafe?

[jonzer77]

Actually if you drop a Series 70 1911 muzzle first from a few feet it can very easily discharge.

Again you don't seem to understand the difference between the two. I am saying when certain parameters are met, the gun is easy to discharge. I am not just saying in general the guns are easy to discharge.

I completely understand what you are saying but from your initial post, you simply said if you drop a series 70 muzzle first that it can very easily discharge which is false. You then went on to clarify it by mentioning that is it met a few parameters then it is easily possible. That is entirely different than your blanket statement that a series 70 when dropped muzzle first can easily discharge. If you are going to make comments like that, you should include the parameters to begin with instead of just saying a series 70 will easily fire when it lands on the muzzle.

[Dannicus]

There is some risk. I have had the safety slip off when in a cheap holster. You also have to take the gun off of safety to unload it and you also have to have it cocked when you reload it to go back to condition one.
If you are going to carry daily, a bucket of sand for a safe aiming spot while loading makes some sense, just in case.

Or, you could just keep your finger off the trigger. Buckets of sand are for the same boneheads who get bored and lose parts of their M9 over the course of a 6 hour watch.

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[Eldraque]

Wow, he said " some guys who have worked security" and you all go on a bashing spree of all security guards. Damn calguns.


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[ifilef]

I don't even know what happened in that video, and the Comments below it seem to contradict what I saw/heard. Video made no sense to me at all.