1911+loaded+holster=dangerous?

[gorn5150]

70 series Colts had a free floating firing pin. Since they could discharge by being dropped Colt changed that. There was a lawsuit involved that caused the change. Colt knew that the gun could discharge but covered it up.

Concord PD issued 70 series. When the lawsuit came out they did some drop testing of their own. They found that it wasn't to hard to get the pistol to discharge from a drop on the muzzle. In one case one of the pistols went full auto.

[9mmepiphany]

It's called condition 1, and that's how a 1911 was designed to be carried.

Why do people keep repeating this tripe.

JM Browning's original design did not even have a thumb safety in it...it was meant to be carried with the hammer down on an empty chamber; jsut as the Colt manual still states. The inclusion of the thumb safety was forced by the Army Board so that Calvary officers could Safe the gun, prior to holstering it, without shooting their horse.



Carrying a 1911 Cock-n-Locked didn't become common until the 50s

[P5Ret]

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Concord PD issued 70 series. When the lawsuit came out they did some drop testing of their own. They found that it wasn't to hard to get the pistol to discharge from a drop on the muzzle. In one case one of the pistols went full auto.

Urban legend. That story along with the capt. who had his gun go full auto when he hung it on a coat hook in a bathroom stall were all over the place when I was in the academy. According to the DT instructor who was one of Concord's range masters also, it never happened. At least the full auto parts of the stories never happened. As far as the nd in the bathroom he would neither confirm or deny that one.

[12voltguy]

Depends on who you are.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE

[Dannicus]

Depends on who you are.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE

Kind of a different issue for that guy, tho.

He got serpa'd.

[DVSmith]

Less dangerous than an empty firearm... too many tragedies occur with firearms that someone "knew" were unloaded.

With proper training and equipment there are very few firearms that are unsafe in a loaded (one in the chamber) configuration, even those dreaded GLOCKs!

Knowledge and training are your best safety devices.

[2shotjoe]

User error and bad trigger jobs would cause one.

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[RandyD]

I am 55 years old and have owned a Colt .45 since I was 16, which amounts to 35 years. I carried a .45 when I was in the Marine Corps for 8 years. It is also my firearm of choice when I carry. I have never had a negligent or accidental discharge with any weapon. I have never felt comfortable carrying my Colt .45 with a round chambered and the hammer cocked unless it was in my Bianchi 19L holster, which has a leather strap that holds the handgun in the holster, and that strap is between the hammer and the firing pin. This is just my comfort level. I do not risk my personal safety by relying upon firearm safeties.

[12voltguy]

Kind of a different issue for that guy, tho.

He got serpa'd.

Na he got "TEX'ed"

[redcliff]

I'm willing to bet more people have received "GLock leg" from obstructions in the trigger guard while holstering and discharging their firearm during the last 20 years than have suffered injuries over the last 100 years from 1911's firing when dropped on the muzzle or while carried Condition 1.

In regard to cocked and locked carry, with a properly fitted thumb safety the sear is blocked and locked to the hammer and can not release the hammer short of shearing the hooks off the hammer. I"ve never seen that happen although theoretically I suppose it could if you're in the habit of repeatedly throwing your 1911 across parking lots.

I have ZERO qualms about carrying a properly fitted 1911 cocked and locked in a quality holster and have done so for close to 40 years now.

If you want to get a rise out of me come along and try to advocate in favor of Condition 2 carry.

[russ69]

Or, you could just keep your finger off the trigger. Buckets of sand are for the same boneheads who get bored and lose parts of their M9 over the course of a 6 hour watch.

I think most police departments have a bullet trap for loading and unloading. I'm not sure I would call police armorers boneheads.

[wl518]

What's the point of carrying an unloaded gun. I think you would have better success carrying a hatchet or tomahawk.

[Dannicus]

I think most police departments have a bullet trap for loading and unloading. I'm not sure I would call police armorers boneheads.

Those barrels are there because some boneheads had NDs. Not accidental. Negligent. They are there because a lack of discipline or a complacent metality led some officers to put holes in the floor.

[P5Ret]

Those barrels are there because some boneheads had NDs. Not accidental. Negligent. They are there because a lack of discipline or a complacent metality led some officers to put holes in the floor.

Actually most of them are probably there because of liability/workers comp insurance, and the lawyers who are reviewing policies these days. We had one there was never a single nd in the department, but when we got the new building in one went because of liability/worker's comp insurance.

[Clutch-n-Throttle]

How about carrying cocked and unlocked? Condition 0.