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Originally posted by pullnshoot25Originally posted by NSR500Do you have any concerns of "Over Penetration"?
Originally posted by spyder -
Hopefully... at some point... we can see the pics; and/or just have a proper write up - of what we screwed up on... cleanup wise; so we can:
A. Thank the people who did the cleanup.
B. Learn from our mistakes.
-M3"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Edmund BurkeComment
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CLEAN-UP (PIX Attached)
At long last, here is the information on the clean-up effort. Instead of writing a long essay on how the camp was not left in pristine condition, I will let the pictures speak for themselves. Hopefully nobody will look at the pix and say "Gee.... The camp looks clean to me".
Pixs are in PDF format.
CLICK HERE for the Pictures and Comments on the Cleanup
First and foremost, we ALL owe Ron and Jim a great big Thank you. If you wish to say Thanks personally, please email it to me and I will forward all the messages to both men. my email is Area52@westoverlegal.com. Instead of posting their personal email addresses without permission, I will collect any "Thank you" email you wish to send
Second, Thank you to all of you that contributed money to help pay for the clean-up trip. I sent Jim a check for $175 today.
And Third, well..... what can I say..... We all know the camp site was left looking like a trash pit. I'm not going to get into the whole pointing fingers game. We were ALL responsible for it (regardless of what time we actually left the camp). We all know this was completely unacceptable, disgraceful, and highly embarassing.
So lets all take our spanking here, admit we F'd up big time, and look forward.
~Andrew
p.s. - Not to be a jerk, but you are all free to disagree with me and with our assessment of the situation. We are all adults and can disagree. If that is you, It was great to meet you, but please don't come on the trip next year.Comment
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Subject: Re: Shame on you all !!!!!
When you guys first got to the the upper Plya, It didn't look like this, did it? We have been going
there since the mid 80's and I think you'll remember seeing how pristine the area looked when you first
arrived. We have been cleaning up are mess every time we paid the place a visit and I think you guys can
do the same.
While we were out cleaning up, we ran in to some old friends camping over the Memorial day holidays,
they are local people from Reno. They asked us what we were doing ( they noticed the mess to, along
with the porta potties) and embarrassingly I told them I was cleaning up the mess you guys left behind.
This sure leaves a very sour note on Californians........ By the way this is a
Wilderness Area and if this keeps on happening, the BLM will close the area along with the Serria Club
right behind them. They are waiting just for something like this to happen to give them an excuse to have
BLM close the area and believe me they will!!....
Kind of says it all .Comment
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Really Sad, those pictures are disturbing, maybe leave the guns home and have a few local weekend classes on how to live in the outdoors. My Father trained me, I feel lucky, that mess really reflects poorly on the mindset of this site. You guys might consider a Camping Safety Course not unlike a good Hunter Safety Class before you become Persona Non Grata."The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. BenitezComment
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Clearly fire pits should have been raked for garbage with ashes spread and the toilets should have been picked up along with the waste disposed.
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And it appears a large number of us... need to realize glass; and metal don't burn.
Truly embarrassing to see what was put into those burn piles.
-M3"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Edmund BurkeComment
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thats f'ed up! i thought i grabbed all my steel targets, but someone else must have picked a couple of them up, but to just leave that junk out there sucks azz!
i packed out all my garbage, although i am guilty of burning the pallets that were asked to be brought although no one wanted to use them or the large cardboard i also brought & burnt.
putting glass & metal debris in a fire is just dumb.
we should ALL pitch in to pay yhr guys who volenteered to clean up after us. i pitched in $15 last night. the rest of you should pitch in as well!Originally posted by pullnshoot25Originally posted by NSR500Do you have any concerns of "Over Penetration"?Originally posted by spyderComment
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i to tried to do some clean up, but the fire pits looked bad.
i did see the pota potys on the way out. but thought they belonged to the group still there when i pulled out.
and i have a check in the mail to help out also. i would have gone back up my self. (just the jeep this time).
but not knowing about those and when they left. plus not able to get out of work so easy.
but i applaud those that went back to clean up "our" mess.
packnrat.
.big gun's...i love big gun's
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