I screwed up, AR Pistol help

[ptroxx]

I told him this a long time ago....

Maybe you didnt read the OPS org post... OP doesnt have any lower yet ... he is asking about getting a 80% and building from that..

And my understand is you can build from the 80%
then once you cnc the 80% you can build it to a complete pistol lower... then you can buy and add the upper and the SSE to it,,,

The OP never stated that he has a stripped lower that he wants to turn into a pistol. He is asking about doing an 80% build.

I suggest you go back and read the first post again.

[Sketti]

The OP never stated that he has a stripped lower that he wants to turn into a pistol. He is asking about doing an 80% build.

I suggest you go back and read the first post again.

Actually, I did imply that I have a new stripped lower, which I do, and was going to use it to build my pistol however I subsequently found out that I couldn't legally use it to build an AR pistol and that's why I posted asking about the 80% lower (see below).

"Unfortunately, now that I have most of the parts I now know that you can't legally build an AR in CA from a new, never used lower. However, I was told that you can legally build an AR Pistol from an 80% lower receiver. "

[ptroxx]

Actually, I did imply that I have a new stripped lower, which I do, and was going to use it to build my pistol however I subsequently found out that I couldn't legally use it to build an AR pistol and that's why I posted asking about the 80% lower (see below).

"Unfortunately, now that I have most of the parts I now know that you can't legally build an AR in CA from a new, never used lower. However, I was told that you can legally build an AR Pistol from an 80% lower receiver. "

You mean AR pistol right ? ? But you can build a pistol from a lower as long as its never been a rifle.. it has to start its life as a pistol.. This is what I have been told ..

[Atlantaboi2012]

I know quite a few LEOs and they tell me their bosses won't sign off on them getting a lot of those cool rifles anymore without a reeeal good reason. Seems like this craze is rubbing off on the agencies as well....Sandy Hook is really doing a number on the industry

[Sketti]

You mean AR pistol right ? ? But you can build a pistol from a lower as long as its never been a rifle.. it has to start its life as a pistol.. This is what I have been told ..

Apparently not, even as an LEO you can't do it.

[mrdd]

Actually, I did imply that I have a new stripped lower, which I do, and was going to use it to build my pistol however I subsequently found out that I couldn't legally use it to build an AR pistol and that's why I posted asking about the 80% lower (see below).

"Unfortunately, now that I have most of the parts I now know that you can't legally build an AR in CA from a new, never used lower. However, I was told that you can legally build an AR Pistol from an 80% lower receiver. "

You did not state that you had a stripped lower, but you did indicate your desire to do a 80% build.

80% pistol builds are considered safe, as long as you do everything correctly. Using a purchased virgin stripped lower is believed to be to be legal, but there are state concerns so it is not recommended.

[Sketti]

I know quite a few LEOs and they tell me their bosses won't sign off on them getting a lot of those cool rifles anymore without a reeeal good reason. Seems like this craze is rubbing off on the agencies as well....Sandy Hook is really doing a number on the industry

Why would an LEO need a letter when a non-LEO can get one? Are we still talking about an AR Pistol?

[ptroxx]

You did not state that you had a stripped lower, but you did indicate your desire to do a 80% build.

80% pistol builds are considered safe, as long as you do everything correctly. Using a purchased virgin stripped lower is believed to be to be legal, but there are state concerns so it is not recommended.

This is the correct statement... Just as long as you follow the rules you can build them... You just cant take a lower that you used on an rifle upper and turn it into a pistol lower..

[Sketti]

You did not state that you had a stripped lower, but you did indicate your desire to do a 80% build.

80% pistol builds are considered safe, as long as you do everything correctly. Using a purchased virgin stripped lower is believed to be to be legal, but there are state concerns so it is not recommended.

You're kinda correct, if you look at my 1st post and then my subsequent post (post #14), which states "Phase 5 Lower Receiver (Which I can't use now, well for a pistol anyway)" you can see where I let people know that I was going to use a stripped, new lower but later found out I couldn't.

[gemini1]

Here's my take.

AR lower receivers sold at stores are only drossed as rifle. A lower receiver cannot be drossed as pistol receiver since it doesn't meet the California safe handgun laws. This is a Cali thing. On a federal level, I think it is okay to buy from an ffl a lower drossed as pistol.

The only way to own one, (other than from LEO's or other previously made/registered AR pistols) is through an 80% and complete the build as single shot. Once its done, and for a little peace of mind, you can register it with the DOJ as a single shot pistol. Once you get the DOJ's nod then you can convert it to semi auto.

[Sketti]

This is the correct statement... Just as long as you follow the rules you can build them... You just cant take a lower that you used on an rifle upper and turn it into a pistol lower..

Ok now I'm confused. Lets start from the beginning and maybe you can clear some things up for me:

I bought an AR 15 Lower Receiver brand new, never used from a licensed shop. I bought it for the purpose of building an AR 15 Pistol. At the time I purchased it I was told by the clerk, who I trust, that I could as long as I registered it like a handgun once it was built. The clerk knows I'm an LEO.

As I started buying the parts I became nervous in that I wasn't sure I was going to get the thing built before any bans so I called up the shop and talked to another clerk, who I trust and knows I'm an LEO. I asked him what steps I needed to do to get the pistol registered once I finished the build. At this point he told me that I couldn't build an AR Pistol from the lower I had bought. He said there are only 2 ways to legally own an AR 15 Pistol, one, I can buy a complete AR Pistol from a dealer or two, I can build one from an 80% lower.

That's when I went to AR15.com and here for advise. Now, based on all the feedback, which I do really appreciate, I'm somewhat perplexed as to what my next move will be with respect to getting this thing built.

[Ninety]

Here's my take.

AR lower receivers sold at stores are only drossed as rifle. A lower receiver cannot be drossed as pistol receiver since it doesn't meet the California safe handgun laws. This is a Cali thing. On a federal level, I think it is okay to buy from an ffl a lower drossed as pistol.

The only way to own one, (other than from LEO's or other previously made/registered AR pistols) is through an 80% and complete the build as single shot. Once its done, and for a little peace of mind, you can register it with the DOJ as a single shot pistol. Once you get the DOJ's nod then you can convert it to semi auto.

This^^ If you can get around that , then you are good to go.... You can't buy a pistol lower without the upper as well...

Ok now I'm confused. Lets start from the beginning and maybe you can clear some things up for me:

I bought an AR 15 Lower Receiver brand new, never used from a licensed shop. I bought it for the purpose of building an AR 15 Pistol. At the time I purchased it I was told by the clerk, who I trust, that I could as long as I registered it like a handgun once it was built. The clerk knows I'm an LEO.

As I started buying the parts I became nervous in that I wasn't sure I was going to get the thing built before any bans so I called up the shop and talked to another clerk, who I trust and knows I'm an LEO. I asked him what steps I needed to do to get the pistol registered once I finished the build. At this point he told me that I couldn't build an AR Pistol from the lower I had bought. He said there are only 2 ways to legally own an AR 15 Pistol, one, I can buy a complete AR Pistol from a dealer or two, I can build one from an 80% lower.

That's when I went to AR15.com and here for advise. Now, based on all the feedback, which I do really appreciate, I'm somewhat perplexed as to what my next move will be with respect to getting this thing built.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=610925

Don't know if this link is in an earlier post that I missed but it has a good discussion on the legalities of a stripped lower Pistol build.. Consensus is as above.. Build it from an 80% or Buy a complete AR pistol from an ffl or ppt.


No need to over this.. I think you have found your answer.. Rohg is selling 80% , there is a Quentin Defense group buy going on and many in the for sale section.. asking too much IMO but whatever someone will pay right?

So it sounds like you have a stripped lower to sell and buy an 80% and machine time with the proceeds... 200 should cover that.. Good luck and post some pics of your progress...

Some people take pictures of their build for proof that they built it compliant SSE configuration prior to converting not manufacturing it into a semi auto.

[Warhawk014]

Actually, I did imply that I have a new stripped lower, which I do, and was going to use it to build my pistol however I subsequently found out that I couldn't legally use it to build an AR pistol and that's why I posted asking about the 80% lower (see below).

"Unfortunately, now that I have most of the parts I now know that you can't legally build an AR in CA from a new, never used lower. However, I was told that you can legally build an AR Pistol from an 80% lower receiver. "

hows that crow taste mrdd.

[Warhawk014]

Ok now I'm confused. Lets start from the beginning and maybe you can clear some things up for me:

I bought an AR 15 Lower Receiver brand new, never used from a licensed shop. I bought it for the purpose of building an AR 15 Pistol. At the time I purchased it I was told by the clerk, who I trust, that I could as long as I registered it like a handgun once it was built. The clerk knows I'm an LEO.

As I started buying the parts I became nervous in that I wasn't sure I was going to get the thing built before any bans so I called up the shop and talked to another clerk, who I trust and knows I'm an LEO. I asked him what steps I needed to do to get the pistol registered once I finished the build. At this point he told me that I couldn't build an AR Pistol from the lower I had bought. He said there are only 2 ways to legally own an AR 15 Pistol, one, I can buy a complete AR Pistol from a dealer or two, I can build one from an 80% lower.

That's when I went to AR15.com and here for advise. Now, based on all the feedback, which I do really appreciate, I'm somewhat perplexed as to what my next move will be with respect to getting this thing built.

get ahold of an 07ffl. tell them that you have all the parts necessary to complete an ar pistol minus the reciever. if they are willing to work with you they can build you an ar pistol using the parts you already have. you will ave to ship them the parts. and they supply you the reciever. once they build it they can ship it to your local gunshop. you pay and dros it as SSE ar pistol. wait 10 days and pick it up. after you pick it up you can then convert it to semi. there is no law that says it must stay in single shot form.

[Warhawk014]

Here's my take.

AR lower receivers sold at stores are only drossed as rifle. A lower receiver cannot be drossed as pistol receiver since it doesn't meet the California safe handgun laws. This is a Cali thing. On a federal level, I think it is okay to buy from an ffl a lower drossed as pistol.

The only way to own one, (other than from LEO's or other previously made/registered AR pistols) is through an 80% and complete the build as single shot. Once its done, and for a little peace of mind, you can register it with the DOJ as a single shot pistol. Once you get the DOJ's nod then you can convert it to semi auto.

this ^