10mm vs .45

[Bobby Hated]

.45 ACP:

http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/45acp.htm

10mm:

http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/10mm.htm

not a huge diffference between the two in terms of the range of FPS and penetration scores

[vector16]

If one were to shoot an attacking bear with a handgun (50 ca, 10mm, 45 etc), would it be best to go for center mass shots or head shots or another shot all together?

Same question with a 12 gauge loaded with slugs?

Thanks!

if you have a charging mama bear you will only get head shots or back of the throat shots.

[TripleThreat]

If you but a D.E. new, you will never get more than 1/2 what you paid for it if you ever sell it.... The shells come straight back and hit you in the forhed EVERY time.

New D.E. are going for $1,500, last 3 I've seen for sale on this site where in that same range as new (give or take $100).

Taking casings to the forehed, does not sound so pleasant. Is that true of all D.E. calibers? I'd like to get one as the final gun of my collection.

Thanks!

[sarge1572]

10mm

That was my main concern was the penetration. Ypu dont think a .45 FMJ would be able penitrate that far? If only we could get AP rounds in CA. that would save us so much time and $.

Based on our research and the information we got from several forest rangers we didn't think the 45 would do the trick. Someone mentioned the 460, but you're into a whole new set of issues......... A hot 10MM hardball round would give you some significant penetration. A couple of reasons my son ruled the 10 out was the cost, pretty pricey, although it only needs to work once to pay for itself, weight, and the fact that it was an auto. The last thing you want is a malfunction of any kind. If you're lucky you'll only have to shoot it at the range, but you'll have to lug it around.

If you have the time I'd compare the performance of whatever you're considering against a 4" 44 magnum revolver. An animal that has been shot doesn't react the same way a person does, so you need to put them down as quickly and effectively as possible. (And yes, I'm sorry to say I've shot both...........)

[Nyanman]

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[vector16]

New D.E. are going for $1,500, last 3 I've seen for sale on this site where in that same range as new (give or take $100).

Taking casings to the forward, does not sound so pleasant. Is that true of all the calibers? I'd like to get one as the final gun of my collection.

Thanks!

Unforunetly yes its true . The entire rear of the gun slides bak to expose the whole rear of the barrel . the shells fly a little up a straight back. They are not the greatest thing to shoot except on a range and that after a few roumnds is not fun anymore. The higher cal. rounds like the .44 and .50 and cut into your forehead and make you bleed. You need to where a baseball cap when shooting them. Keep the bill just abouve the rear site so the shell dont ping under the cap. If you get a DE 50 it will be a Zombie gu n and you will only use it for that purpose.

[SnWnMe]

.45 ACP:

http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/45acp.htm

10mm:

http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/10mm.htm

Those look like the FBI 10mm loads. They were for uh.. small framed agents who can't handle the recoil.

Back to OP: If you get a 10mm, be ready to handload so you can practice on the cheap. Accurate follow up shots out of a 10mm take a little more work than 45 to nail down. The felt recoil to me is somewhere between 45 and 357. Not bad but you gotta get used to it.

[vector16]

the .357 mag recoil is nothing. The recoil of a .45 is not much either. I thought the comparison was going to be. between a 45 and a .44 mag. If it between a .357 and a 45 that should be easy going. I can rapid fire a GP100 with .357 mag rounds and stay on target easily.

[Oceanbob]

A 10MM round has more speed at 100 yards than a .45 has at the muzzle.

My opinion is if you RELOAD then go for a Glock 20SF or Glock 29 and have a .40 barrel to shoot .40 out of when you want to save a little money and get some trigger time.

If you don't reload you can still buy wally world .40 to run your Glock 20 platform; you will just have to buy some solid hardcast from Buffalo bore or Double tap for stomping around the woods. (for 10MM factory hot stuff)

You will be buying most your hot ammo in 10MM off the internet.

Expect problems in most Gun Stores when asking about 10MM. Most of these young (20s) sales clerks have never heard of 10MM. Kinda funny sometimes.

The GLOCK 20 and 29 (either normal or short frame) are the most versatile weapons around. They will run .40, .357SIG, 9X25 with just a barrel change.

I like the .40 round; its not snappy at all in the large 20/21 series frames. The wider grip really soaks up the recoil and it's nice to use the same magazines for all those calibers.

Be safe.

[Neptune]

If you ever get attacked by a Lion and are able to get a shot off, please let us know how it worked out for ya......

The three run ins I've had with mountain lions gave me plenty of time to pull off a shot, but I didn't have a gun on me. The first was when one jumped down onto the road to confront me. If I'd had a gun, I would have shot it, I was barely able to back away and get into a vehicle.

The other two occasions caused a face off with the lions turning and running off. That's proof of three occasions where I had the opportunity, but not the ability. I consider myself lucky to have gotten away on the occasion where the lion wasn't going to run away.

If it happened again, the challenging lion would be toast. The other two situations didn't warrant shooting the lions since they ran off after a brief standoff. The first one was actively hunting me. The 10mm would have been sufficient to get the job done. I love animals and wouldn't ever want to bring harm to a mountain lion, but I'm not on the menu, thanks.




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[gun toting monkeyboy]

Guys, lions are very thin-skinned. A .38 special should be more than enough for them. As for bears, where? They are pretty thin on the ground for the most part. And if you are confronted with one of the black bears we have around here, either round will do. It comes down to a matter of choice as several others have pointed out. .45 is much easier to come by. 10mm is they type of round that only gun people know about. Gun nuts are the only ones likely to use it. That said, I would love to get one someday. But if all you are looking for is a hiking gun, take your pick. A .357 revolver would likely do just as well though.

[Oceanbob]

Why 10MM?

http://www.weaponsrelated.com/2010/07/why-10mm.html

The 10MM Auto Pistol (Glock)

http://www.gunblast.com/10mm.htm

10MM stats

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak5OC6bPsjO8dEh6eGZ3N3hpUU13SXM5cm9pZy16T0E&hl=en#gid=0

[hermosabeach]

http://460rowland.com/about/

1550 FPS with an 185 grain projectile
10+1 in ca
21 rounds out of ca
From your glock 21 with a different barrel and recoil spring

[AJD]

Guys, lions are very thin-skinned. A .38 special should be more than enough for them. As for bears, where? They are pretty thin on the ground for the most part. And if you are confronted with one of the black bears we have around here, either round will do. It comes down to a matter of choice as several others have pointed out. .45 is much easier to come by. 10mm is they type of round that only gun people know about. Gun nuts are the only ones likely to use it. That said, I would love to get one someday. But if all you are looking for is a hiking gun, take your pick. A .357 revolver would likely do just as well though.

I agree with this if you're talking about bears or lions around here.

With respect to the biggest bears in Alaska or other parts, then 10MM would be marginal at best. 10MM is incredibly overrated by a lot of people as a defense round against large, dangerous animals. Most are preoccupied with energy which does nothing to quantify effectiveness. You're going to want to use hard cast bullets and not a hollowpoints to get maximum penetration on these animals. 10mm is powerful enough for extra penetration with hardcast bullets, but you're just putting a .40" diameter hole. A .40 caliber hole through a human isn't very effective and handguns regardless of bullet expansion are considered poor stoppers, so I don't know why people think 10mm would be anything but poor against a big bear.

[m98]

not getting a .460 ever. I do not need a round to travel that fast. I am not hunting elephant. If you shat a deer with that the dear would not be good for anything besides fish bait. The .460 is too much power for such a small round. The 50 S&W is a large round too but is slower moving. The You would be hard preesed to fid that round for a Semi auto anyway.

460 too much power yet u want a 10mm loaded hot BUT want max penetration??? Sounds to me that u can make up ur mind or really want the 10 but just wanna reassure ur decision by posting a thread for us to tell you to do so. And by the way, 45 is marginal only if u roll ur own by loading it hot loaded with some hardcast swc or keith boolits.