10mm vs .45

[vector16]

I am going to be buying a new Glock in the next week. I am going to get either a 20 or a 21. I know that .45 is readily available anywhere. Not so sure about 10mm. I do need a gun for SD but I do have a .40 S&W and a G17 so the SD is just one more thing. I need a round that could do some dammage to a charging preditor like a mt. lion or a bear if the need should ever arise. I know a this would just be for that extreem circumstance. I will also have a 30-06 when I am hunting out in ther woods. So would a .45 or a .45+p do the trick. HP or FMJ? The 10mm would probably do a better job but the ammo is more exoensive and I have heard its getting hard to find. Is this the case? I would really like to get the .45 so don't get me wrong. I have also heard and read that there are realibility issues with the 10mm, more so than the good old .45 AP. I have had .45's in ther past but they were for SD and I was not taking into acct that I might have to use it on a larger animal. Any thoughts?

[Neptune]

.45 ammo is cheaper and a solid round, but if I were spending my time hanging around mountain lions, I'd carry the 10mm. If I already owned a .45, I'd likely go with the 10mm. If I didn't own a piece, I'd buy the .45.



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[510GUY]

Get the 10 milli and change barrels if you want to go plinking and back to 10 for home defence or backpacking in the woods

[Steve-O]

I love the 10mm, but it is a lifestyle. If you don't like walking into some gunshops and having clerks laugh when you ask to see their selection of 10mm, get the .45. If you don't like explaining to the uninitiated what a 10mm is, get the .45. If you don't like paying fifty cents a round, get the .45. It sounds like a .45 would do everything you need it to.

I really and truly appreciate what the 10mm is and love having one as my primary CCW. I am even more excited now that I am dipping my toe into the world of reloading, so I can shoot my 10 even more.

[toby]

If you ever get attacked by a Lion and are able to get a shot off, please let us know how it worked out for ya......

[hermosabeach]

Many of the 10mm loads are about the same as .40 S&W

Some is loaded "hot" but when i looked at the 10MM it seemed that many target loads are almost the same as .40

You can get the 200 grain bullet in 10mm, but I do not know if 20 grains really makes that much difference

If you want a monster, then take a peek at the .460 Rowland

It is a longer case than the .45 ACP and they sell a barrel to convert several different types of .45ACP guns to take the round

It is almost the same power as a 44 mag

But you need to buy ammo ahead of time... It is a saami round but it is not widely used

[vector16]

If you ever get attacked by a Lion and are able to get a shot off, please let us know how it worked out for ya......

Well it would not be the ideal thing to have happen but I think that you would have more luck with a gun than a knifeor even bare handed. I think I would be more concerned with a mama bear than the cougar. The cougar will attack from behing and woun't give you any warning. I am not an ideal target for a cougar unless I am tying my shoe. I'm 6.5' tall.
Ideally I would like to get a D.E. 50 cal. but I just can't really see a purpose for having one of those on my hip. Nor can I see myself spending $2 - $4 a round. I would have to admit that it would make a great zombie gun though.
If the 45 will do what I need it to be able to do than that is what I am going to get.
In response to Steve-o I bet its no worse than waling into a GS in CA anywhere and asking them for shells for a 8ga. or even a 4 ga. Most gun dealer will try and agrue that they do not exist, esspecially Bass Pro's. I had to argue with the guy last Sat. for almost 30 min. and then finally just left.

[vector16]

not getting a .460 ever. I do not need a round to travel that fast. I am not hunting elephant. If you shat a deer with that the dear would not be good for anything besides fish bait. The .460 is too much power for such a small round. The 50 S&W is a large round too but is slower moving. The You would be hard preesed to fid that round for a Semi auto anyway.

[sarge1572]

My son does a lot of backpacking and we looked hi and low for the right "backpacking gun" for him. Talked to lots of hunters, several rangers (which turned out to be our best source of information) and they told us most handgun rounds aren't very effective against larger prey. The rangers we talked to said anything with less performance than a 44 magnum was inviting trouble. If your only choices are the 45 and the 10MM, I'd go with the 10MM and hardball rounds. The rangers said penetration was the deciding factor in putting a larger animal down, so hollow points might be dandy against a human target, but with a big cat or a bear...................... not so much.

[Excelsior]

Get a 9mm that you'll be able to shoot 2x as much as a .45 and 4x as much as a 10mm. You'll become an extremely proficient shot and you can load it with Cor-Bon DPX when carrying it for self-defense.

[robcoe]

not getting a .460 ever. I do not need a round to travel that fast. I am not hunting elephant. If you shat a deer with that the dear would not be good for anything besides fish bait. The .460 is too much power for such a small round. The 50 S&W is a large round too but is slower moving. The You would be hard preesed to fid that round for a Semi auto anyway.

If I shat a deer the last thing on my mind would be what to do with it.

the .460 rowland is actually a nice round, roughly matches a low end .44 magum in a 1911 pattern gun. And .44 magnum(at least through a rifle) is a serviceable hunting round.

[TripleThreat]

I've seen D.E. 50 cal bullets on sale online for only $20 per 20 round box (I think it was cheaper than dirt). I recently picked up a D.E. as I want to purchase one, I was SHOCKED at how heavy that gun is, felt like it was 8lbs, not sure I could carry that on me, it would really be a bear (pun intended) to carry around.

If you are comfortable carrying a DE on your hip, I'd go for it, wait for rounds to go on sale and but them in bulk. Plus having a D.E. is a cool toy to own.

Good luck with whatever you get,

PS. Someone once told me, if you have to shoot a bear with a 357 magnum pistol, the first 5 rounds are for the bear......

[vector16]

My son does a lot of backpacking and we looked hi and low for the right "backpacking gun" for him. Talked to lots of hunters, several rangers (which turned out to be our best source of information) and they told us most handgun rounds aren't very effective against larger prey. The rangers we talked to said anything with less performance than a 44 magnum was inviting trouble. If your only choices are the 45 and the 10MM, I'd go with the 10MM and hardball rounds. The rangers said penetration, or lack of, was the deciding factor in putting a larger animal down, so hollow points might be dandy against a human target, but with a big cat or a bear...................... not so much.

That was my main concern was the penetration. Ypu dont think a .45 FMJ would be able penitrate that far? If only we could get AP rounds in CA. that would save us so much time and $.

[vector16]

I've seen D.E. 50 cal bullets on sale online for only $20 per 20 round box (I think it was cheaper than dirt). I recently picked up a D.E. as I want to purchase one, I was SHOCKED at how heavy that gun is, felt like it was 8lbs, not sure I could carry that on me, it would really be a bear (pun intended) to carry around.

If you are comfortable carrying a DE on your hip, I'd go for it, wait for rounds to go on sale and but them in bulk. Plus having a D.E. is a cool toy to own.

Good luck with whatever you get,

PS. Someone once told me, if you have to shoot a bear with a 357 magnum pistol, the first 5 rounds are for the bear......

If you but a D.E. new, you will never get more than 1/2 what you paid for it if you ever sell it. you always need to where a hat when you fire one. The shells come straight back and hit you in the forhed EVERY time.

[TripleThreat]

If one were to shoot an attacking bear with a handgun (50 ca, 10mm, 45 etc), would it be best to go for center mass shots or head shots or another shot all together?

Same question with a 12 gauge loaded with slugs?

Thanks!