10mm vs .45

[Sunday]

If you ever get attacked by a Lion and are able to get a shot off, please let us know how it worked out for ya......

Moutain lions are soft game. E.Z. to kill is they do not get the jump on you.

[mif_slim]

Why a 40cal vs a 45 when you can get a 50ae? Haha.

[stitchnicklas]

i plan on making the g20 my next buy and getting a 40s&w barrel for it.

i want the power and versatility of the gun

[misterjake]

A guy not too long ago killed a charging grizzly bear with a .45 acp.

.45 is plenty. Caliber is moot if you cannot hit a critical area.

What is important is biggest caliber you can aim with and hit your target as fast as possible.

[m98]

Appreciate the reply, I didn't know a Sig 357 was that potent?

357 sig will never be able to touch 10mm or 45. A fast 125gr hp vs a heavy cast 10mm or 45. 357sig is for 2legg vermin and upclose for kitties.

[k1dude]

For California, the .45 is fine.

If you think you might go to Alaska, the 10mm is better.

.45 ammo is cheaper and more readily available than 10mm.

[10mm]

I've seen D.E. 50 cal bullets on sale online for only $20 per 20 round box (I think it was cheaper than dirt). I recently picked up a D.E. as I want to purchase one, I was SHOCKED at how heavy that gun is, felt like it was 8lbs, not sure I could carry that on me, it would really be a bear (pun intended) to carry around.

If you are comfortable carrying a DE on your hip, I'd go for it, wait for rounds to go on sale and but them in bulk. Plus having a D.E. is a cool toy to own.

Good luck with whatever you get,

PS. Someone once told me, if you have to shoot a bear with a 357 magnum pistol, the first 5 rounds are for the bear......

I would never recommend a Desert Eagle for self defense. My opinion and experience is they jam at the worst moments. On the shooting range thier great. You could take your time and adjust your grip and clear problems. But when your hide is on the line go with a Glock 20SF shooting hard cast bullets along with a extended barrel when confronted by a large predator.

As far as practice ammo goes, BVAC has a offering that starts at ~$22 for 50 rounds. The ammo is not going to be loaded hot but it will get you shooting for practive. Check out cheaperthandirt.com for good prices. They don't price rape thier customers like some of the LGS.

[10mm]

.45 ACP:

http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/45acp.htm

10mm:

http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/10mm.htm

not a huge diffference between the two in terms of the range of FPS and penetration scores

Respectfully, I call FUD!
Average round of 45 acp is ~900 FPS on a good day.

Average round of 10 mm is ~1300 and up when using premuim self defense or hunting ammo.

That's not taking into account the muzzle energy.

[Excelsior]

It isn't.

Someday I will get a 10mm hunting sidearm and call it good. It will be a handgun, not a Glock.

A Glock is a "handgun."

[10mm]

A Glock is a "handgun."

Maybe someone knows something we don't. Or just maybe he considers Glocks to be substandard and not worthy of bieng called handguns. By the way I own the 20SF and the 20 Gen. 3. My go to handguns for when ever the need comes.

[1000stars]

"The Best Calber is the one in your hand when you need it most" I don't remember who quoted this.

[hasserl]

Appreciate the reply, I didn't know a Sig 357 was that potent?

357 sig will never be able to touch 10mm or 45. A fast 125gr hp vs a heavy cast 10mm or 45. 357sig is for 2legg vermin and upclose for kitties.

That's not correct. 357Sig delivers more energy and better penetration with a larger crush cavity than 45ACP.

This is just one experiment from one brand of ammo, but it is representative of typical results:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkrSZZ4zmoY

Here's more info: http://www.ballistics101.com/357_sig.php

& http://www.mouseguns.com/PopularHand...Comparison.pdf

As was stated early in the thread, what you want is penetration. The 357Sig will get you that.

[ebigga67]

The Glock 20 and 21 both have conversion barrels for each to convert one to the other, and there is also a .50 cal conversion for both.

[k1dude]

There's a lot of misinformation in this thread regarding calibers.

A hot .45 is far less powerful than a hot 10mm.

In general, the .45 is less powerful than the .357 Sig.

[-hanko]

If you shat a deer with that the dear would not be good for anything besides fish bait.

Google cathole.

Fish typically won't take a lure that's been shat upon.

Shatting on animals can get you arrested.

hth

-hanko