10mm vs .45

[glenbear]

Well imho 10mm 1st choice for a lot of reasons. I have 3, also 3 45's. 10's "can" be a handful, especially with hot loads (like Buffalo Bore) Think BANG vs Bang. 10 is easy to find, just not at most gun stores. Online EASY Midway, SGAMMO, Cabelas, Any gunshow where Miwall shows up. Doubletap, Hornady, Buff Bore are not EVEN like .40 cal. Kimber 1911 in 10mm, Smith Gen3 10 series, even those funny looking Glocks. Word to the wise think reloading in your future if you want to practice a lot.

[SFBA]

Get the 10 milli and change barrels if you want to go plinking and back to 10 for home defence or backpacking in the woods

+1 I have to G20 with the Lone Wolf 40 S&W. The 40 S&W is redundant for you, but in situation where you need two guns of the same caliper, ran out of ammo, or whtever....also packs a bigger punch than the 45. The cool thing about the G20, a 357 Sig barrel is also available.

[vector16]

+1 I have to G20 with the Lone Wolf 40 S&W.

I don't get that. If you want to have and use a .40 cal why in gods name would you not buy a .40 cal? If you want to fire a .40 why would you buy a 10mm? I have a .40 s&w I have .357 I have 9mm etc.. I do not see the purpose of having one gun that can be 2 oe 3 guns. If 1 of your guns has a problem then all of your guns have a problem. If one does not work, none of them work. I would not buy a $700 gun just so I could buy a $150 for new barrel+ $40 for extra mags etc so I could shoot a $400 gun.

[ExtremeX]

I love the 10mm cartridge. It packs a nice punch for a semi auto.

For defense against larger animals… 10mm vs 45 ACP. 10mm is my pick. Shoot one with good hot ammo and the choice is easy.

It kind of helps if you reload. I have been saving my friends 10mm brass on the off chance I actually get a 10mm.

[k1dude]

I don't get that. If you want to have and use a .40 cal why in gods name would you not buy a .40 cal? If you want to fire a .40 why would you buy a 10mm? I have a .40 s&w I have .357 I have 9mm etc.. I do not see the purpose of having one gun that can be 2 oe 3 guns. If 1 of your guns has a problem then all of your guns have a problem. If one does not work, none of them work. I would not buy a $700 gun just so I could buy a $150 for new barrel+ $40 for extra mags etc so I could shoot a $400 gun.

Because .40 is cheaper to shoot and practice with than 10mm. And you can buy a barrel for $99 and your 10mm mags still work with .40 rounds.

Which is cheaper - $565 for a new .40 cal weapon or $99 for a new barrel?

[vector16]

Which is cheaper - $565 for a new .40 cal weapon or $99 for a new barrel?

I know that its cheaper to shoot the .40s but then you don't get the practice with the 10mm, as far as controling the gun and so on. Wouldn't you jus be better off reloading the 10mm and having a G22 along with the G20? JMO.
I am still playing the waiting game as of now. I can go pick it up at the end of the week. I will be on vacation this weekend so I will probably be really peroccupied knowing that my new gun in waiting for me at the GS. I really have always thought this 10 day BS is a waist of time. What does it really do anyway for someone that already owns guns anyhow?

[k1dude]

I know that its cheaper to shoot the .40s but then you don't get the practice with the 10mm, as far as controling the gun and so on. Wouldn't you jus be better off reloading the 10mm and having a G22 along with the G20? JMO.
I am still playing the waiting game as of now. I can go pick it up at the end of the week. I will be on vacation this weekend so I will probably be really peroccupied knowing that my new gun in waiting for me at the GS. I really have always thought this 10 day BS is a waist of time. What does it really do anyway for someone that already owns guns anyhow?

Most bulk 10mm is fairly mild with the same energy as a .40. So you don't loose any of the training feel using one caliber over the other. I guess you could practice with hot loaded 10mm for the full effect, but who can afford $1 per round?

Yes, reloading is always the best option.

[Oceanbob]

I need a round that could do some dammage to a charging preditor like a mt. lion or a bear if the need should ever arise. I know a this would just be for that extreem circumstance. The 10mm would probably do a better job but the ammo is more exoensive and I have heard its getting hard to find. Is this the case? I would really like to get the .45 so don't get me wrong. I have also heard and read that there are realibility issues with the 10mm, more so than the good old .45 AP. I have had .45's in ther past but they were for SD and I was not taking into acct that I might have to use it on a larger animal. Any thoughts?

Well, you bought the G21 in .45

It will do just fine for general shooting BUT it will not do the job a properly loaded 10MM will do against a Mountain Lion or a Bear.

Nothing can touch the Glock 20 (SF) in 10MM, .40 or .357 SIG (with just a $99 barrel change).

Reloading would help save money and let you customize your WOODS CARRY AMMO. Either that or spend money on Double Tap, Buffalo Bore, Underwood...etc...for 10MM or .45 Auto hardcast hot stuff.

If you can't get any hot .45 FMJ (you want 1000 FPS stuff) then I would rather carry a hot .40 caliber with more capacity. JMO.

[Cruznegao]

You should by a Hi Point .45. After emptying the mag you can throw the gun at the animal and kill it with the massive weight... (hard to insert the couch emoticon from the cellphone)

[vector16]

You should by a Hi Point .45. After emptying the mag you can throw the gun at the animal and kill it with the massive weight... (hard to insert the couch emoticon from the cellphone)

Here is another guy that has never had or muchless fired a hi-Point. If you were to read my intro from a couple years ago you would know that I do own a few. They are all very reliable, and very accurate. They are lighter than alot of guns out there. If toy wabt to tak weight, try talking about a desert eagle or nearly all of the wheel gun out there, heck you can even compare the weight to a good ole' Colt 1911. The Hi-Point is lighter than them all and nearly as accurate. I fdon't have a problem knocking out the centers of targets at 25 yards with my Hi-points. No do I have a problem doing the same with my Glock.
Befpre you go tear something apart just based on your own opinion because of the price of the gun, just remember that an intruder would be just as dead weather you shoot them with a $3,000 gun or a $159 gun.
Go find someone that has one and ask them if you can put a couple hundred round down range. There are many people on this forum that own them and really like them, esspecially the TS carbines.

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

vector, you did not make a bad choice. Really, neither the .45ACP or the 10MM is a guaranteed bear repellent. One would be hard pressed to find one that was, unless you were to consider one of the more exotic calibers such as the .454 Casull or .50 S&W.

Up until last Friday, I would have made the same choice that you did (and a G21SF does reside in my safe, I enjoy shooting it). That day, a buddy and I met for a range session in which I fired his G20SF. I was surprised to find that it was not much different shooting the G20 than my G21. Today, I wouldn't be unhappy with either pistol in hand.

[TripleThreat]

It's not Apples' to Apples' for the 10mm

Most of the factory 10mm rounds are very weak, I'm not sure why, but that's just how it is. If you shot 10mm round consistent with other factory loads, it would shoot with noticeably more force.

[The Virus]

.45 don't shrink!! JMB built the only handgun a MAN needs!
It's not called .45 ACP (A*s Crippling Projectile) for nothing.
Stopping power!

[ExtremeX]

Most of the factory 10mm rounds are very weak, I'm not sure why, but that's just how it is. If you shot 10mm round consistent with other factory loads, it would shoot with noticeably more force.

[vector16]

.45 don't shrink!! JMB built the only handgun a MAN needs!
It's not called .45 ACP (A*s Crippling Projectile) for nothing.
Stopping power!

I like the sound of that. There is something about that round that is very noticable. Maybe the smaller than a dime hole in front and the fist sized hole in back or maybe its the special loads you can buy in other states that are able to take limbs off or maybe its just the american legend of the .45 itself. Use of a .45 for SD or HD is the iconicly best choice. I do have a G17 loaded with 147gr JHPs that I have for that purpose. I really like the results from the ballistics gel, my last trip to the range.

4 days till I can go pick up the G21 FS. I did not want to get the SF. I do like the FS and I know that not everyone and their sister can't hold the thing and fire it. My girl can't even reach the trigger.