What did everyone do before the bullet button?

[Black Majik]

From 2000 - 2005, the mini-14s, the SUx-16CAca, and the M1A ruled the firing line.

[Quiet]

USGI M-1 Carbine
It's still my go-to carbine.

[Plisk]

There were people who made their own way to make compliant standard spec AR lowers. I've seen lowers that have a 10 round magazine and mag release button epoxied in place. It required complete destruction of the magazine and its release components to clean out the lower to accept modern parts.

Quiet an ordeal, but we have come quite a long way.

[edgerly779]

I still have a fab 10. What we used to do was drill and tap4-40 set screw in mag release button and keep allen wrench in handgrip to unscrew and allow mag button to depress and release mag. Then tighten screw to become legal again. Still have couple of those.

[Supertac916]

I didn't register my MAK-90 and kept it in Arizona, I have more but never talk about them and never will. Anyway, I considered registering certain weapons including my MAK-90, but part of the registration process is that you gave the DOJ permission to come into your home to check on your weapon. That was the deal-breaker. Never give up a Constitutional Right. I wonder if they can still come in if you got rid of the RAW?

I definitely understand. Back then I was a Criminal Justice major in college and was planning to join the US Marshals or CA DOJ as a LEO, so I had to register all my firearms. I enjoyed the major, but after learning more about the criminal justice system I decided to choose another career. The Marshals and DOJ have some great deputy's and agents, but I couldn't justify to myself going against what I believe in to be the rights of the people if I was ordered too. Do I regret registering them? Not yet, because it's nice not to have to worry when I take them out to shoot. However, I do worry that if Marshal law is implemented for any reason, one of the first houses they will show up at to collect firearms will be mine.

Oh well, can't live my life in fear. Just hope if that time comes the LEO's will refuse to take their orders. I spoke to one of my friends who is now a supervisor for the US Marshals and he told me if the President told them that they had to do something. The only person who could negate the order, if it's believed to be unconstitutional is the Marshal himself. He told me he didn't know what he would do, if it was a flagrant disregard for the people's constitutional rights. Let's just hope it never comes to that.

[Supertac916]

I just feel like it's wrong to let them do that. Why should they get a free pass on your rights. If it wasn't for that, I might of registered it.

It is wrong and the majority of the agents at the DOJ and many other LEO's would have problems violating constitutional rights. They would also be subject to giving up their RAW as well. They don't have hidden ones because if they were caught they would lose their jobs and probably be served up as an example.

Some of my friends were able to get letters from their Chief's, SAC's, etc to purchase assault weapons after the ban, but after they leave the department or retire their guns have to be turned in and it's the property of the department, even if they bought it with their own money.

I haven't heard of a RAW owner getting their home searched, since the requirement.

If Marshal law is implemented or the politicians decide to go against our 4th and 2nd amendment rights because that's exactly what they would have to do. I mean going into our homes to search and take our personal property without due process will create a S*** storm. Even though I legally registered mine, which gave them so called permission. They still need probably cause, due process, and a warrant for a search of my home. There's nothing that gives LE a I can search you anytime because you signed this piece of paper. If that happens I think collecting RAW's will be the least of their worries. I'm not saying that could never happen, but I can't imagine the legal, political problems, and they start arresting law abiding citizens for doing the right thing. There are over 250 million guns in the US. I'm sure there will be some that will fight and I don't think any of the politicians, LEO's, or any of us want to see that day.

[SgtDinosaur]

I went to the Cow Palace gun show right after the ban went into effect. I saw some AR's with the pistol grip sawn off. My FFL said they weren't legal, and I never saw any again.

[PandaLuv]

The internal magazine was fixed inside the lower receiver. So you had to separate the receivers to load it.


Edit: I was going to post this picture of a top loading Bushmaster that demonstrates how you had to load them, but the picture was huge so I will just leave the link.

http://www.bushmaster.com/artwork/ca...15-loading.jpg

Wow, that looks ****ing horrible. BB was a blessing after seeing this.

[tenpercentfirearms]

My friend has a RAW, I don't. The DOJ can come into his house at will. They can't come into mine. Care to think about that?

Please cite the penal code that authorizes this. Thank you.

[Subotai]

Please cite the penal code that authorizes this. Thank you.

12289.5. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), the Department of Justice shall, for every person, firm, or corporation to whom a permit is issued pursuant to this article, annually conduct an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile the inventory of assault weapons. (b) A person, firm, or corporation with an inventory of fewer than five devices that require any Department of Justice permit shall be subject to an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile inventory, once every five years, or more frequently if determined by the department.

[Supertac916]

12289.5. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), the Department of Justice shall, for every person, firm, or corporation to whom a permit is issued pursuant to this article, annually conduct an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile the inventory of assault weapons. (b) A person, firm, or corporation with an inventory of fewer than five devices that require any Department of Justice permit shall be subject to an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile inventory, once every five years, or more frequently if determined by the department.

I'm assuming they could probably do the same with almost all firearms purchased, if we completed a safe affidavit. Verify that we actually own the safe and if it's compliant to their standards.

I haven't heard of them using this penal code to check on anyone with a RAW yet, but I'm not saying they can't or won't. I can't possibly think it would be efficient either because they can't just knock on your door or kick down your door for a "Inspection". They might be able to send you a letter stating that they will have an inspector coming by, but you know what happens then. They would have to dedicate a lot of manpower and resources to do it and I'm sure they'll have plenty of lawsuits, if they start searching and seizing property without warrants based on this penal code.

Again, I'm not saying that they can't do it because it states in the penal code that it's within the guidelines of the section, but it will lead to many 4th and 2nd amendment violations. They would need a warrant to search anything outside of inspecting the security and safe storage of the assault weapons. Warrants also require probably cause, which owning a RAW is not illegal. The courts would have to decide what would be considered proper inspection. Another affidavit, pictures, or a personal inspection? If they want to do a onsite personal inspection on our property they would need our consent and permission.

The penal code also doesn't say what the penalty would be if you didn't comply. Is there a different penal code?

[CBruce]

The internal magazine was fixed inside the lower receiver. So you had to separate the receivers to load it.


Edit: I was going to post this picture of a top loading Bushmaster that demonstrates how you had to load them, but the picture was huge so I will just leave the link.

http://www.bushmaster.com/artwork/ca...15-loading.jpg

I don't own an AR-15, nor do I know much about them, but it just seems inherently dangerous to have to open your receiver to deal with jams, failure to ejects, or misfires. All because the rifle looks dangerous and in reality isn't really more dangerous or is actually less powerful than other semi-auto rifles.

[tenpercentfirearms]

12289.5. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), the Department of Justice shall, for every person, firm, or corporation to whom a permit is issued pursuant to this article, annually conduct an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile the inventory of assault weapons. (b) A person, firm, or corporation with an inventory of fewer than five devices that require any Department of Justice permit shall be subject to an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile inventory, once every five years, or more frequently if determined by the department.

Not so fast there. Note it says a permit issued pursuant to this article.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/calawquery?codesection=pen&codebody=&hits=20

Let's use the new PC codes. It starts at 30900. It says if you bought your assault weapon back in the day, you can register it. It does not state you will be issued a permit. Let's skip ahead to a more important part.

30945. Unless a permit allowing additional uses is first obtained
under Section 31000, a person who has registered an assault weapon or
registered a .50 BMG rifle under this article may possess it only
under any of the following conditions:
(a) At that person's residence, place of business, or other
property owned by that person, or on property owned by another with
the owner's express permission.
(b) While on the premises of a target range of a public or private
club or organization organized for the purpose of practicing
shooting at targets.
(c) While on a target range that holds a regulatory or business
license for the purpose of practicing shooting at that target range.
(d) While on the premises of a shooting club that is licensed
pursuant to the Fish and Game Code.
(e) While attending any exhibition, display, or educational
project that is about firearms and that is sponsored by, conducted
under the auspices of, or approved by a law enforcement agency or a
nationally or state recognized entity that fosters proficiency in, or
promotes education about, firearms.
(f) While on publicly owned land, if the possession and use of a
firearm described in Section 30510, 30515, 30520, or 30530, is
specifically permitted by the managing agency of the land.
(g) While transporting the assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle between
any of the places mentioned in this section, or to any licensed gun
dealer, for servicing or repair pursuant to Section 31050, if the
assault weapon is transported as required by Sections 16850 and
25610.

Note it says you must get a permit to allow additional uses other than what is listed.

Skip ahead to PC 3100.

31000. (a) Any person who lawfully acquired an assault weapon
before June 1, 1989, or a .50 BMG rifle before January 1, 2005, and
wishes to use it in a manner different than specified in Section
30945 shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in
the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section
32650) of Chapter 6.
(b) Any person who lawfully acquired an assault weapon between
June 1, 1989, and January 1, 1990, and wishes to keep it after
January 1, 1990, shall first obtain a permit from the Department of
Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with
Section 32650) of Chapter 6.
(c) Any person who wishes to acquire an assault weapon after
January 1, 1990, or a .50 BMG rifle after January 1, 2005, shall
first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same
manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of
Chapter 6.

You cannot obtain new assault weapons or .50 BMGs without a permit. It would appear registering your lawfully purchased assault weapon or .50 BMG in the already expired windows is not the same as being issued a permit.

31110. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), the Department of
Justice shall, for every person, firm, or corporation to whom a
permit is issued pursuant to this article, annually conduct an
inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile
the inventory of assault weapons.
(b) A person, firm, or corporation with an inventory of fewer than
five devices that require any Department of Justice permit shall be
subject to an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and
to reconcile inventory, once every five years, or more frequently if
determined by the department.

So unless you are actually issued an actual permit, you are not bound by 31110. Simply registering your AW or .50 BMG in the now expired time window is not a permit and without a permit you are not subject to the inspections of 31110. Note it says "shall". If this requirement were actually for registrations, then we would be hearing about people being inspected on a continual basis.

Someone feel free to correct me if they think I am wrong.

[G-forceJunkie]

I don't believe registering a firearm is considered having a permit issued.

12289.5. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), the Department of Justice shall, for every person, firm, or corporation to whom a permit is issued pursuant to this article, annually conduct an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile the inventory of assault weapons. (b) A person, firm, or corporation with an inventory of fewer than five devices that require any Department of Justice permit shall be subject to an inspection for security and safe storage purposes, and to reconcile inventory, once every five years, or more frequently if determined by the department.

[Chameleon Loco]

Wow those options are crazy!

I was born right before the assualt weapons ban became law and grew up shooting a mini 14. I always thought that a bullet button was the worst thing ever. Now I see that without it we would still be in the dark ages instead of being 1,00000000 football fields behind everyone else.