15 min- SHTF

[Duck Killer]

One think everyone seems to forget is that if you are leaving your home to try and live in a so called forest or rural area. What makes you think the locals are going to let you do that. Let you shoot their deer. Pollute there water. Roads will be blocked. People will be armed. All you would be doing is bringing them supplies.

[Avocado Toast]

neighbors are not always a good thing, they like to blab ( about what you have and how good your living ) if this gets to the wrong folks they’ll know what and how many people you may have to defend your home.

Neighbors ( once they get wise ) may also tell whoever that you have firearms, who is living at home, how you get around.

Neighbors also suddenly believe that you will defend them and they can then squat on your land - because your the one with the gunzzz.

If really bad ( something we haven’t seen before ) real bad shtf event happens and a group of 3 armed bg’s attack the home - it’s going to be kind of iffy for one gg to out shoot those 3 armed members - is it a small chance that will happen Yes, but not unlikely .

I say bug in or go to an out of the area family members home until things look better.

Also, if these bug out people do go out over yonder into the woods - how many firearms are you going to have on you, how much ammo are you going to carry without a resupply of ammo / parts, mags ?!

What’s your source of food / water / medical aid.

But no worries - I don’t believe that an American shtf event will be as bad as what we see in Africa - unless there’s outright killings in the streets / woods ..

The neighbors thing can be a bit tricky. I have neighbors I can trust and vice versa but others who I wouldn't at all. I have others who are clueless about things and the less they know about me, the less damage they can do.

Shooting 3 BGs? I tend to think that BGs don't ever count on armed resistance and if one of them goes down unexpectedly, the others quickly leave. Wasn't it Mike Tyson who said that plans are great until you get punched in the nose and that changes everything? Same with BGs.

Government works off the principle that calm and order, electricity and resources will largely be reestablished after 72 hours, whether it's from riots, EMP or natural disaster. They know that 72 hours without electricity will generally cause people to riot looking for things they can no longer get. If you use your debit card at the store and suddenly the automatic doors don't open and the pay terminal doesn't function, people will just steal whatever they want after breaking down the doors.

It's better to stay at home and fortify, unless you can safely go to a family member's place but heading to the hills to live off the grid or set up your cargo container cabin where you'll live forever? Just a fantasy. Civilized people want to live civilized. They can be frugal and conserve what they have but they aren't going to head to the hills and pretend that it's a good but different way of living. No one who buys ground hamburger or chicken is going to decide that they need to shoot a grouse, pluck feathers and eat it. They won't eat a squirrel,rabbit or a chipmunk either.

[Duck Killer]

The neighbors thing can be a bit tricky. I have neighbors I can trust and vice versa but others who I wouldn't at all. I have others who are clueless about things and the less they know about me, the less damage they can do.

Shooting 3 BGs? I tend to think that BGs don't ever count on armed resistance and if one of them goes down unexpectedly, the others quickly leave. Wasn't it Mike Tyson who said that plans are great until you get punched in the nose and that changes everything? Same with BGs.

Government works off the principle that calm and order, electricity and resources will largely be reestablished after 72 hours, whether it's from riots, EMP or natural disaster. They know that 72 hours without electricity will generally cause people to riot looking for things they can no longer get. If you use your debit card at the store and suddenly the automatic doors don't open and the pay terminal doesn't function, people will just steal whatever they want after breaking down the doors.

It's better to stay at home and fortify, unless you can safely go to a family member's place but heading to the hills to live off the grid or set up your cargo container cabin where you'll live forever? Just a fantasy. Civilized people want to live civilized. They can be frugal and conserve what they have but they aren't going to head to the hills and pretend that it's a good but different way of living. No one who buys ground hamburger or chicken is going to decide that they need to shoot a grouse, pluck feathers and eat it. They won't eat a squirrel,rabbit or a chipmunk either.

You are making a mistake thinking that Bad guys are just going to leave when they hit resistance. That might be the case at first but at time progress they will be more and more desperate. I know everyone here owns guns but 99% of you will fail in a real gunfight. Everyone has a wife and kids. Even winning can mean you have lost someone you love. Plus if you are in a city environment you have no real defendable space. Meaning the ability to engage threats from a distance is minimal. So if you are going to fortify your house all you have done is created your own coffin. Remember houses burn and once started there is no water to put it out.

The real answer to survival if SHTF is time. How much time are you buying. A week, month, year?
Figure that out and prepare for that. Beside that get educated. Learn as many useful skills as you can. Learn construction skills, farming and how to fix things.
The longer SHTF the higher the probability everyone will die.

[acaligunner]

The reference to the 3 is that once shtf gangs and or criminals - or even folks that are in short supply of food / water / shelter are going to be desperate and full of ill will.

I survived the LA Riots and was with my dad as we drove our 3/4 ton truck to get a supply, that’s when 3 dudes in an old Toyota tried to ram us ( 😒 ) I saw them and then persuaded them to rethink their attack.

I figure most are not really prepped and give it a while and folks get stupid really fast.

In the riots I gathered close family to watch the house - and when I did go out it was at least with another family member or 2.

As to defending the house - yes no matter how well off it might be - folks may find it a little hard defending against a group of 2 or more - they can even use a Molotov cocktail thrown on the roof, which could spread to fire.

But we have not been through a Really Really Bad and serious situation ( even though COVID was troubling ).

Unless the US is invaded, a more deadly and widespread disease ( worst than COVID ) or just outright killings in the street happen ~ I believe we will survive, and our chances go up if we stay ready.

[acaligunner]

Also, turn off your water supply for 3 or more days and see how that turn of events turn out - you may be surprised.

[Duck Killer]

Also, turn off your water supply for 3 or more days and see how that turn of events turn out - you may be surprised.

First you will lose power. Water treatment plants will be running for another 3 days without a fuel resupply for generators. Then you will lose water pressure. All other water sources in the city are non potable. People will drink pond, lake, creek and whatever other water source they can find. Then people by the masses will Start getting sick. Become dehydrated without any potable water sources will keep getting sick.

[smle-man]

Fortunately I back up to a stream fed very large pond. I wouldn't drink the water without filtering and boiling it though. Also fortunately I have a wooded acre with plenty of trees both standing and down for firewood to heat with and boil the water.

[sigstroker]

Today in Reno, no need to bug out. Place is full of Veterans and home of National Guard. Lots of Conservative folks in Northern Nevada. While it also has some leftists, my bet THEY would be the ones bugging out for Sacramento or Bay Area.

Sootch, gun youtuber, has a channel, Sensible Prepper, dedicated to survival.

https://www.youtube.com/live/o9Xq-R_...Sb1le1F5AXsDHL

Don't kid yourself, plenty of veterans, guard, and active duty are libtards. Where I live now has lots of veterans and active duty. 20 years ago I could tell you how they vote. Returning here after being gone for 20 years, I was shocked at how many Brandon yard signs there were in 2020.

[Brown Rock]

Don’t forget to bring a towel!!

Thanks Towelie.

[Brown Rock]

People will have to team up to survive long. You may hold out solo for little bit, but you will eventually have to deal with heavy threats. Big groups of armed marauders. Best team up with trusted friends and family.

[Duck Killer]

People will have to team up to survive long. You may hold out solo for little bit, but you will eventually have to deal with heavy threats. Big groups of armed marauders. Best team up with trusted friends and family.

Marauders are the least of anyone concerns. First will be clean water then food. If you survive long enough you will either become the marauders or possibly be defending against them. But large groups you have to feed and provide clean water. The larger the more resources.

I short term you might have looters. But as everyone gets thirsty and hungry you are going to have few friends.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

People will have to team up to survive long. You may hold out solo for little bit, but you will eventually have to deal with heavy threats. Big groups of armed marauders. Best team up with trusted friends and family.

Oh boy, team events.

The question is: Who is gonna pick this guy?

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[Usmc0844spare]

I have a 7-11 and a few stores to take over if real stuff happens - it’s not going to be easy but that’s about as good as it’s going to get over yonder !

I could always join a gang - kill the leader and then take over these fools and re-organize them.

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[amd64]

Bugging out to the country is a bad move. Many others will be doing same, you'll get stuck in gridlock, then be on foot, and have threats all around you. If you have spouse, kids, animals, etc., that's just more to worry about. Locals will have road blocks up to keep urbanites, suburbanites, and any non-locals out.
Best to bug in, or move out to the country before shtf.

[axhoaxho]

During the historic 2017 SHTF Santa Rosa wildfire, my friend and his family were being evacuated from their home in way less than 15 minutes -- The Sheriff Dupties knocked on their door in the middle of the night, while they were sleeping. They only had time to grab their kids and the car key, and ran out of the house while the 60-70mph wind literally blew the fire into their house.

They also told me that everyone in their street devastatingly drove out at the same time. In a couple minutes, the whole neighborhood was gridlocked with cars while the whole area was in flames.

Their house was burned to ashes, and they literally had nothing left but the clothes on their back.

All happened in the blink of an eye.