Imbert & Smithers: $50 PPT, Illegal?

[bohoki]

The $10 limit is for doing the paperwork.

Do you want your gun stored safely and securely during the 10 day wait?

Other fees could be charged for storage, climate control, security etc...
The DOJ does not say you can't charge $1.50 per day in storage fees.
10 day minimum storage is required for a $15 charge.

no, how about i offer to store it at home then. its this kind of crap is why they made the rule its to encourage the legal transfer of firearms if all the dealers went fee happy just pass it to your buddy sounds like a better option

[ar15barrels]

no, how about i offer to store it at home then.

Ask the DOJ about that one.

[Steyr_223]

Holy encouraging illegal transfers, Batman! Call the DOJ!

[tlillard23]

how about every business start charging for those things we hate to do. start charging extra because they have to do taxes, pay for garbage and the wifes pedicures....
How about trying to GET MORE CUSTOMERS?
maybe say, "we don't make any money on these, we would appreciate if you purchased something while in the store" hint hint
Instead they say "screw you, I'll charge extra."

A little bit of (calguns) foot traffic is like free advertisement. Look at the posts that say "hey, I was just at XXX's they have xxxxx, get it while it's there"

Look at McDonalds, they say "would you like fries with that?"
how 'bout "would you like some ammo with that"

[slick_711]

this kind of crap is why they made the rule its to encourage the legal transfer of firearms

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhaha ha... Thank you for that.

[tlillard23]

Soooo... My buddy goes in to pick up his new item at I&S. After he gets the item in hand and all papers signed. he hands them a copy of the PPT laws and they ask "where did you hear about that?" he pointed to calguns.net and they handed him his $15....

Yes, he did buy about $30 worth of cleaning stuff and a pistol case. and they still gave him a guilt trip.

I will use them as a last resort.

[Mr. Joshua]

Ha! Tracy Shooting Supplies (in Tracy, CA) was charging $60 for PPT up until a few months ago. I sold a gun to a fellow Calgun'r and we met there. I had no idea they charged that much. I believe when the buyer came back in he corrected the owner on the fees and was refunded the money.

[Moonclip]

I ran in to this today at a SoCal shop. I was very nice about it but took my business elsewhere and warned the owner that the next people coming in and being charged an illegal amout to do a PPT might not be so nice and they would call the BOF. I will be buying even less if anything from this store now.

The store I did go to, Ammo Bros, the guy I transferred the gun to purchased $50 of ammo as well.

[John Browning]

The $10 limit is for doing the paperwork.

Do you want your gun stored safely and securely during the 10 day wait?

Other fees could be charged for storage, climate control, security etc...
The DOJ does not say you can't charge $1.50 per day in storage fees.
10 day minimum storage is required for a $15 charge.

If the dealer doesn't store it safely during the 10 day wait, they can expect a visit from the ATF. What you are suggesting is total BS, the dealer is required by law to maintain absolute control of the firearms in their possession until it walks out the door with the buyer, and they cannot charge for this. They are allowed to charge $35, period. No extra fees, no requried extra purchases, and if they did try to do that they will be out of business quickly. In addition, they have responsibility for any damage to the item in their possession until it is picked up.

If a dealer did try to pull what you suggest, they'd have their FFL revoked in about the same amount of time it took me to write this, and rightfully so. What you suggest is criminal and could probably be favorably viewed in a small claims action as well.

If you don't follow ALL the laws, you shouldn't have an FFL.

[CALI-gula]

When I look at the last 12 PPT transactions (and a couple out-of-state purchase incomings) I have made, either buying or selling, I ALSO ended up buying a firearm (new or consignment) from the dealer doing the PPT.

In some cases, I instead bought about $150 worth of other items, such as ammo or supplies. In all cases, I figured I was there, they had what I wanted, I was coming back anyway (or I just scored some cash in the case of a sale) etc., and it was 2 birds (or guns) with one stone. Yes, I do chose to only do PPTs and out-of-state transfers with dealers doing $35 PPTs or having fair prices on out-of-state transfers. They get my money - and I am sure to be a repeat customer.

For those gun dealers that might dick around and charge $50 for a PPT? Penny wise and POUNDS... MANY POUNDS... foolish. Let that be a lesson. If I am forced to use you because it is the seller's preference and I don't want to incovenience the seller out of my good manners (and that has happened) it will be that one time only, to appease the seller, and you aren't getting a single extraneous purchase from me; and in all, I can guarantee it would have been worth your while to follow the law, as well as have me as an on-going customer. High-income, no kids, no car payments, very little debt of any kind, ditched the wife without having to give her a dime, and have a love for high-end and blue-chip collectible firearms. Don't be stupid.

Oh... and... see below:

The PDF DOJ Bulletin on PPT fees, direct from the DOJ website:

http://www.caag.state.ca.us/firearms/infobuls/0101.pdf

http://www.caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dlrfaqs.htm#18G

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[ar15barrels]

In addition, they have responsibility for any damage to the item in their possession until it is picked up.

Please quote the PC for this.

[CavTrooper]

Nickle and dimein the customer is the reason I refuse to purchase from MOST shops (especially the ones here in CA. Ive seen so much whining and crying and complaining from those who run these places I cannot even understand why they went into buisness in the first place. Ive spent some money at a few shops since Ive been here, test driving basically, but there are a few that I flat out refuse to shop at or buy from. You know the ones, the guys who have no regard for the customer and make it seem like doing buisness is such a burden.
Ill tell you what, if its that tough to be an FLL in CA, Ill do you the favor of not shopping with you, maybe youll go out of buisness sooner and your headaches will dissapear.
Legal or not, someone tries to charge extra fees on top of anything they are required too, they lose my buisnes and anyone elses who will listen.
Want to try and charge me extra for doing you a favor by blessing your buisness with my dollars, you deserve to fail.

MidwayUSA
Brownells
Cabelas
BassPro
SWFA
and several others have a customer for life, why? No BS.

Internet shopper for life, Down with the little guy!(allright cmon now that was a joke! )

[John Browning]

Please quote the PC for this.

This actually comes from case law involving bailments. If your property is under the care/control of another person and that person is negligent in handling/caring for it, they are responsible for any damages to it. In addition, as you probably know, the ATF demands that a dealer safely store all firearms in their care.

Not all law comes straight from the PC.

[code33]

Which case laws? I'd like to read up about this.

[Fjold]

The worst thing about I&S is that they know what they are doing is illegal and they continue to do it. They will take advantage of people who don't know better.

That doesn't sound like the type of people that anyone should do business with.