Another "Turners SUCKS" thread

[chiefcrash]

As I understand it, the law is 21 & over to handle the handguns and knowing how anal Turners is re: firearms (ie. pick up on 11th day ), it's now surprise they enforce 21+

as *I* understand it, you have to be 18 to own or posses a handgun. You have to be 21 to *PURCHASE*...

so if you're 18, you're free to fondle to your heart's content...

[pullnshoot25]

i look at this from a different angle. the gun store clerks have to wipe the greasy fingerprints off every gun a customer "tire kicks". why the heck would they want to have to wipe the greasy fingerprints off of guns that the customer cannot even buy? why waste the clerks time? its kinda rude on your part. go back when your able, and willing to buy. everyone hates tirekickers. what could be more loathsom than a tirekicker that cant buy even if he wanted to?

Because not only am I not a criminal, I am a future customer and they just lost a sale. I will now procure my weapons over the internet or through Duncan's but I will never ever go purchase or PPT one through Turner's now ever.

Is losing my business and the business of my fairly vast network of friends really worth a couple finger prints?

[pullnshoot25]

Post up the law please. Otherwise, there sure is a whole lot of "I heard" in this thread.

Agreed. Let's see the law people, I am actually so anxious to see it I am prepared to crap myself into oblivion.

[milsurpshooter]

they also could have said "we can't let you handle a handgun" they didn't have to be rude about it. who knows he could have walked in with his dad 5 mins later and had him buy it. but from what i heard here on calguns i don't think i would do business with them and i've never been there.

[sloguy]

Because not only am I not a criminal, I am a future customer and they just lost a sale. I will now procure my weapons over the internet or through Duncan's but I will never ever go purchase or PPT one through Turner's now ever.

Is losing my business and the business of my fairly vast network of friends really worth a couple finger prints?

my point is that its rude and your wasting the clerks time and energy. if you dont get it, then you dont get it. ive said my piece. take it to heart, or dont.

[mike100]

They are just being careful...there are probably at least a 100 ways to lose your ffl. That's like a 20 yr old going into a bar and ordering a shot just because he wants to smell it. they will just tell you to come back when you are old enough.

same thing with sneaking into a casino...would you get mad at them for putting a boot in your *** and showing you the door?...no, you'd expect that.

[chiefcrash]

my point is that its rude and your wasting the clerks time and energy. if you dont get it, then you dont get it. ive said my piece. take it to heart, or dont.

how is it rude and how is it wasting the clerk's time? I know before I was 21, i started planning what handgun i would buy first. I didn't want to waste any time. Part of that planning process was handling the guns to see which one I liked...

it's not rude, and it's not a waste of time. It's just good shopping strategy. After all, for a 21 year old, a handgun is a pretty major purchase...

[pullnshoot25]

my point is that its rude and your wasting the clerks time and energy. if you dont get it, then you dont get it. ive said my piece. take it to heart, or dont.

And what the hell else are they doing at 11AM with no one else in there on a weekday? Polishing their boots? Jiminey X-mas, I turn 21 in January so letting me handle a couple revolvers and letting me decide for myself if I want to support the Kalifornia firearm infrastructure is not a bad thing to consider. They are paid to be there and I am sure that they get a small commission so I do not consider the fact that I politely asked to view some of their wares was out of the question nor a "waste of time"

Now I have said my piece. Now you can take that to heart or see it as a "rude" retort to your aging codger viewpoints and just make another retort about that. I am sure that we can keep this discussion of free market economics, fascist gun laws and endearing salesmanship qualities going for quite a while, right slowguy?

[pullnshoot25]

They are just being careful...there are probably at least a 100 ways to lose your ffl. That's like a 20 yr old going into a bar and ordering a shot just because he wants to smell it. they will just tell you to come back when you are old enough.

same thing with sneaking into a casino...would you get mad at them for putting a boot in your *** and showing you the door?...no, you'd expect that.

Meh, in a way. But the shot cannot be returned to the bottle by law, whereas the gun can be returned to its rightful display case.

[allenst65]

Agreed. Let's see the law people, I am actually so anxious to see it I am prepared to crap myself into oblivion.

I think this may be the applicable section.

12072(b) No person licensed under Section 12071 shall supply, sell, deliver, or give possession or control of a pistol, revolver, or firearm capable of being concealed upon the person to any person under the age of 21 years or any other firearm to a person under the age of 18 years.

CYA and all, so I presume a dealer would operate under the position that handing a firearm to a customer simply to 'look at' constitutes that person now having control or possesion over it, even if only for a few moments.

[ohsmily]

Bottom line, the OP is GREATLY overreacting to what is a very widespread store policy among many FFLs.

Turner's doesn't "suck" because they didn't let a kid handle a handgun. You may not like Turners for other reasons, but this doesn't justify the OP's now apparent hatred for the business.

Personally, it doesn't seem like it would be a pleasurable experience to help this kid anyway; he seems to feel very entitled to everything.....get over it man.

[bigthaiboy]

I think this may be the applicable section.

12072(b) No person licensed under Section 12071 shall supply, sell, deliver, or give possession or control of a pistol, revolver, or firearm capable of being concealed upon the person to any person under the age of 21 years or any other firearm to a person under the age of 18 years.

CYA and all, so I presume a dealer would operate under the position that handing a firearm to a customer simply to 'look at' constitutes that person now having control or possesion over it, even if only for a few moments.

I would interepret 12072(b) in exactly the same way. He also knew you could not buy the gun there and then, but by handing over the gun to someone under the age of 21, he is liable for that. They don't get paid enough to take that risk. Selling firearms is a serious business riddled with more laws, regulations and penal codes that most regular people, FFLs and sales people in Turners wish the knew or could remember. The sales staff are there to sell guns to someone today, not maybe, perhaps, in a year's time, so don't take it so personally.

If I worked in a gun store and a bunch of undocumented immigrants (over 21) came in and asked to handle a shiny new handgun, I would probably tell them no, that is not possible, because I knew they could not legally purchase that firearm that day. Would I let them handle that gun there and then in the hope that they would one day get their permanent residency (green cards), and hopefully come back and buy a gun off me, some time in the future? Probably not.

Business is business, gun shops are not there to be petting zoos for firearms. I have a friend who sells knives in his store. He does not sell knives to anyone under 18, nor will he let anyone even touch one of his knives if they are under 18. Last thing he wants is some over-zealous parent coming in saying that he put their child in danger by letting them hold a Victorinox penknife.

[vega]

Agreed. Let's see the law people, I am actually so anxious to see it I am prepared to crap myself into oblivion.

12072(b) No person licensed under Section 12071 shall supply, sell, deliver, or give possession or control of a pistol, revolver, or firearm capable of being concealed upon the person to any person under the age of 21 years or any other firearm to a person under the age of 18 years.

I guess it's agreed then huh?
Come next year you can fondle all you want.

[pullnshoot25]

Upon reading that section of Kalifornia law, it would appear that I am wrong, but I do have a couple questions that I would like to have answered.

A) How is it possible for an 18yr old to own and open carry a handgun in one section of the code and then illegal for someone under 21 to even touch one in another part of the code? Is the term "person" defined differently in each part of the code? (e.g. in reference to 12072 and related codes, is the "person" the dealer?)

B) If not, then could 90% of us be potentially in legal crapholes because we let our underage relatives "control" a handgun at a shooting event, sanctioned or otherwise?

ohsmily... HAHAHA I laugh! If only you only even knew...

Anyways, I only have a 2 months and some odd days to go... so yes, I will get to fondle them all I want, wont I?

[Maddog5150]

If its the law or not, maybe is company policy? There is alot of "he said she said" going and I highly doubt they were rude. I know the manager of that store and she is all about customer service. I wasnt there nor am I going to call anyone a liar but were they really rude to you? I cant count a number of times when someone under 21 wanted to see a gun and I ask for ID. When I say I cannot show them a handgun yet they start screaming at me, "oh its because Im brown, black, you think im a punk, your racist, your being a dick, my civil rights are being violated! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! The violence inherent in the system!"
I also cannot tell you how many times I refused to show a handgun to someone based on age yet they left very happy when they fondled the long guns. Some left and came back later with their father and then was able to fondle all the guns their father would let them.
Turners did that to me when I was a little kid but then again I only went in there with my father. My father then again wouldnt let me ask for much. I would get nudged or "the look" if I started to speak as I wasnt prepared to buy anything. Now I fondle to all my hearts content but only because I have the resorces to do so.
So is it CYA? Hell yeah. Why do you think Turners is still around?
P.S. If you really fealt like the staff was being rude to you. Why didnt you ask to speak with a manager? You could also email corperate of call them and despite what some might think, those phone calls and emails go a heck of alot farther than you think.
P.P.S. The opinion of mine is MINE none others, no corperations but MINE.
*edit* and now I wait for the comming onslaught on a personal level.