High capacity magazines at the range

[Fot]

Idiots have been nailed by CA DOJ for bringing large capacity mags back across the state line into CA before, it's even been posted about on this forum.

Well to be fair... we never had proof of the helicopter landing on the highway..

[Reductio]

Out of all the parts of TX, you moved to hippyville.

Compared to coming from LA, and given that my other law school choice aside from UT was Berkley... I don't think I did *too* bad.

Interestingly though, there's quite a few A&M people out here, there's a few of us already trying to organize a shooting trip / maybe a dove hunt.

[Merc1138]

Well to be fair... we never had proof of the helicopter landing on the highway..

I'm not talking about the guy that claimed his friend's, cousin's, brother's, uncle's, grandson or whatever had a helicopter stop him on the highway. I was referring to this one recently:

http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=475826

It did also apparently involve a handgun purchase, but it still happens. CA DOJ has people sitting in NV gun show and sporting goods store parking lots looking for CA plates, then following them to see what they do.

[Oceanbob]

Idiots have been nailed by CA DOJ for bringing large capacity mags back across the state line into CA before, it's even been posted about on this forum.

Yes indeed...from the RENO Gun Show..but it was more than magazines..it was handguns as well. (Before the crack down on parking lot sales)

Dumb people do exist. And If I remember correctly a couple of those guys were convicted felons (prohibited people) as well. One of them was actually carrying the weapon concealed and hot in the car....dumb dumb dumb..

Again...if you go to the RENO gun show and buy a normal capacity GLOCK 17 magazine to keep it LEGAL for California, TAKE IT APART and put it in a plastic bag. That keeps it legal.


It is not hard to follow the law; transport handguns unloaded in a locked case; take apart any hi cap magazines. Don't consent to a search. Follow all speeding laws...be polite yet firm about no searches without probable cause.

Bob

[Fot]

I'm not talking about the guy that claimed his friend's, cousin's, brother's, uncle's, grandson or whatever had a helicopter stop him on the highway. I was referring to this one recently:

http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=475826

It did also apparently involve a handgun purchase, but it still happens. CA DOJ has people sitting in NV gun show and sporting goods store parking lots looking for CA plates, then following them to see what they do.

More then just mags.. but agreed.. be smart break down the mags before crossing state lines.. Then use to rebuild old mags or build your 10/30 mags.

[punkur67]

+1 it is also possible that 20 something years olds could have possessed high cap mags before the 2000 ban. There is not an age limit on buying gun magazines, so who is to say they didnt purchase them when they were 10.

Or handed down from father to son

[LDSGJimbo]

I always worry about some LEO who doesnt know the law making serious trouble for me. And when the law isnt on my side it makes me even more nervous.

Still - interesting discussion. Between the magazine cap and the approved handgun lists I think they are both tied for the most useless/annoying regulation.

[thrasherfox]

I personally mind my own business when I am at a range. I am not paid to enforce any laws.

I was at an outdoor range a few weeks ago and it sounded like someone shooting a fully auto 22.

I knew there were a few adults and about 5 kids the next range over. sure did not sound like bump firing, sounded like fully auto 22's WITH high cap magazines. must have squeezed off like 50 rounds full auto.

Just kept to myself. if anything I was jealous.

[HK4113]

Or handed down from father to son

As long as it was before 2000.

[FourLoko]

good talk

my next AR might have to be featureless

[GettoPhilosopher]

only works if the guy was dumb enough to use a CC/debit card.

why do you think people always use cash.

"Oh, yes, I did purchase rebuild kits last year. I purchased them to rebuild my old, legally owned preban AR mags. No, I get it. That receipt shows that I bought rebuild kits, the very same ones you hold assembled in your hand. That's because I *rebuilt my preban magazines*, which is 100% legal. Here's the CA DOJ letter regarding complete rebuilds. Yeah, have a nice day. Feel free to call my attorney if you'd like."

[morfeeis]

good talk

my next AR might have to be featureless

I love mine. and why wait just convert one over now. hammer head grip for the ****ing win.

most of the time i shoot on BLM land and have no problem using my prebans, but i hate useing them at public ranges. i just dont want to end up dealing with some dumbass leo that knows less about the law than i.

[cdtx2001]

At the range i go to, one of the RSO's told me that they dont believe or enforce mag capacity limits, and than proceeded to pull out his AR with 30 rnd mags and start shooting. i just think that its not really something that is enforced at ranges

They are not the police and it is not their duty to enforce such laws.

As others have said, possession or use is not illegal.

[negolien]

They will be here complaining about the "man" trampling their rights soon....

i have seen a lot of young shooters bring hi cap mags for xd, m&p, ruger sr9, etc to the range lately. I guess most of them buy it online as rebuild kits and put them back illegally...

These are the same people that complain about a LEO trampling thir civil rights when found in violation of federal law . If you don't like the law change the law otherwise shut up and sit in the back of the bus please ....

[SanPedroShooter]

Alright here it is from a LEO perspective if I really wanted to jam someone up for the magazine even though I never would because I think it is a stupid law.

Hypothetical scenario 1: I am at the range undercover looking for those pesky high capacity magazine violators. I am wearing camo pants, calguns shirt, and glock hat. I see a nice guy with a 9mm xdm with 3 19 round magazines because he sets up right next to me. I approach the guy and tell him how cool his gun is and ask if I can take a look at it.

He tells me sure and I ask him where he got those high capacity magazines because I thought those were illegal. He tells me he bought them at a gun show in Las Vegas over the weekend. I say cool, do you have any you can sell me because I have been looking for some myself? He politely declines and I proceed to ID myself as a LEO and hook him up for importing high capacity magazines.

Hypothetical scenario 2: I am in uniform doing a training class at my local range and on my way out I walk through the public bay and notice a guy with a 9mm xdm with 19 round magazines. I ask him for ID and where he got the magazines (try going with the consent first). He tells me he knows his rights and tells me to pound sand.

Do I have enough to detain him? Not really, but I really hate citizens with cool guns because they are a lower class than us cool LEO's . So I wait outside the range and wait for him to leave. I follow him for a little bit until he makes a vehicle code violation. Now I have probable cause to stop him and get his pesky ID that he refused to show me earlier. I ask him if that is current address and he says yes I cite him and carry on.

Now I really want to nail this guy because when I pulled him over he only rolled down his window 4 inches and kept reciting the fourth amendment and "I have nothing illegal in my car". Okay so I draft up this cool search warrant and take it to this pro cop judge and he signs it because he thinks those assault clips are dangerous. So me and the goon squad hit the house and get his computer, bank statements, credit card bills, and receipts for high capacity magazines.

Ta da, he goes to jail and hopefully he pleads out before it goes to trial. Sorry for the long post, but please understand I would never do this and I am one of the pro gun LEO's out there. For satire purposes only...

You know, when I left the Coast Guard, I had thought about transitioning right into Law Enforcement. I had been doing high seas boardings, taken the POST equvalent and the like, I figured it would be pretty seamless. The only thing that stopped me was thought of having to do things like you posed in this hypothetical. I just dont have the guts for it. Reading that stuff literally makes my skin crawl. I didnt even like boarding US flagged vessels without probable cause (which the USCG doesnt need)...

Now your scenario is over the top, I understand, but the idea of having to enforce the really foul parts CA PC is something I wouldnt wish on anyone.... I understand satisfaction of putting a real bad guy behind bars, but shoveling people into the maw of our criminal justice system for petty garbage, dealing with ****ty people and their ****ty problems, jacking someone up for something that is legal across the border, no thank you.

We're all guilty of something... I would probably get fired for letting people go, "Sir, you are more sinned against than sinning, now get out out of my sight before I change my mind..."

I decided to be a house painter... its not as exciting, but I sleep good at night.... with my old steel 30 rounders....