High capacity magazines at the range

[erik_26]

The way I see it, if the range is ok with people usi.g high cap, the people using them are being safe (following the rules).... Then myob.


All you should and can do is make sure you are 100% compliant with the law.

[ls2monaro]

I'm glad you've got everything completely figured out. Should probably read around a bit more.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=387409

Thanks for the link, although I have already read the link and I am well aware of the firearm laws in CA. I was just throwing it out there as a topic for discussion, maybe persuade some of these guys to use some discretion/common sense.

[chim-chim7]

Been discussed hundreds of times.

[Reductio]

Thanks for the link, although I have already read the link and I am well aware of the firearm laws in CA. I was just throwing it out there as a topic for discussion, maybe persuade some of these guys to use some discretion/common sense.

Then you don't understand the statue of limitations. Believe me, these issues have been hashed out over and over and over...

Actually, the easy answer is to move out to free America like I did.

[Lumpia is sarap!®]

At the range i go to, one of the RSO's told me that they dont believe or enforce mag capacity limits, and than proceeded to pull out his AR with 30 rnd mags and start shooting. i just think that its not really something that is enforced at ranges

RSO's aren't cops, but most RSO's mind their own business and stick to making sure the range runs smooth. Getting into a "standard mag" inquisition doesn't help anyone.

[ls2monaro]

RSO's aren't cops, but most RSO's mind their own business and stick to making sure the range runs smooth. Getting into a "standard mag" inquisition doesn't help anyone.

I take it you haven't been to lytle creek lately

[Dutch3]

I generally mind my own business as long as those shooting nearby are behaving safely.

[HK4113]

RSO's aren't cops, but most RSO's mind their own business and stick to making sure the range runs smooth. Getting into a "standard mag" inquisition doesn't help anyone.

+1 it is also possible that 20 something years olds could have possessed high cap mags before the 2000 ban. There is not an age limit on buying gun magazines, so who is to say they didnt purchase them when they were 10.

[Scream_4637]

Thanks for the link, although I have already read the link and I am well aware of the firearm laws in CA. I was just throwing it out there as a topic for discussion, maybe persuade some of these guys to use some discretion/common sense.

Why is discretion needed? Using large capacity magazines is not illegal. Stating that they need to use discretion implies that they have broken some law. I don't see how you can know if a law has been broken by observing "younger" people at the range with large capacity magazines.

Someone made the point about UOC'ers bringing attention on themselves and now our legislature is pushing hard to ban UOC. If the UOC'ers did not exercise their right to UOC then what would be the difference if it is illegal or not? If you can't do it for fear that it will become illegal then it may as well be illegal. If you have large "standard" capacity magazines, use them. Do not violate any existing laws to acquire magazines, however, you are not breaking any laws to use them if you have them.

Also, maybe some leo or lawyer can jump in and confirm or deny my next statement. I believe that committing a completely lawful act, such as using a large capacity magazine, does not provide probable cause to detain the user and further investigate for a crime while at a shooting range. In other words, a person using a large capacity magazine can tell a leo, if questioned at the range while using a large capacity magazine, that they are not interested in talking to the officer and to leave them alone.

[bigmark408]

Talking/Texting on cell phones while driving has caused more injuries....i know non of you ever do that.

[Sniper3142]

Why is discretion needed? Using large capacity magazines is not illegal. Stating that they need to use discretion implies that they have broken some law. I don't see how you can know if a law has been broken by observing "younger" people at the range with large capacity magazines.

Someone made the point about UOC'ers bringing attention on themselves and now our legislature is pushing hard to ban UOC. If the UOC'ers did not exercise their right to UOC then what would be the difference if it is illegal or not? If you can't do it for fear that it will become illegal then it may as well be illegal. If you have large "standard" capacity magazines, use them. Do not violate any existing laws to acquire magazines, however, you are not breaking any laws to use them if you have them.

Also, maybe some leo or lawyer can jump in and confirm or deny my next statement. I believe that committing a completely lawful act, such as using a large capacity magazine, does not provide probable cause to detain the user and further investigate for a crime while at a shooting range. In other words, a person using a large capacity magazine can tell a leo, if questioned at the range while using a large capacity magazine, that they are not interested in talking to the officer and to leave them alone.

+100

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[vonderplatz]

First it s not illegal to own Standard Capacity magazines. Second, how do you know they are illegal? Unless you know, and can prove they manufactured or bought these magazines illegally it is not illegal to own the magazines.

Remember: The DA has to prove to a jury that these magazines were illegally manufactured, purchased or imported by these individuals. Having them is not illegal, and I have yet to hear of a case where someone was prosecuted for merely owning a Standard Capacity magazine. The prosecutor would need to be able to make the jump that a legally owned magazine was illegally manufactured, purchased or imported with no evidence except a legally owned magazine.

BTW: I have looked for one single case, so if someone knows of one I'd love to hear it.

[ls2monaro]

Why is discretion needed? Using large capacity magazines is not illegal. Stating that they need to use discretion implies that they have broken some law. I don't see how you can know if a law has been broken by observing "younger" people at the range with large capacity magazines.

Someone made the point about UOC'ers bringing attention on themselves and now our legislature is pushing hard to ban UOC. If the UOC'ers did not exercise their right to UOC then what would be the difference if it is illegal or not? If you can't do it for fear that it will become illegal then it may as well be illegal. If you have large "standard" capacity magazines, use them. Do not violate any existing laws to acquire magazines, however, you are not breaking any laws to use them if you have them.

Also, maybe some leo or lawyer can jump in and confirm or deny my next statement. I believe that committing a completely lawful act, such as using a large capacity magazine, does not provide probable cause to detain the user and further investigate for a crime while at a shooting range. In other words, a person using a large capacity magazine can tell a leo, if questioned at the range while using a large capacity magazine, that they are not interested in talking to the officer and to leave them alone.

Alright here it is from a LEO perspective if I really wanted to jam someone up for the magazine even though I never would because I think it is a stupid law.

Hypothetical scenario 1: I am at the range undercover looking for those pesky high capacity magazine violators. I am wearing camo pants, calguns shirt, and glock hat. I see a nice guy with a 9mm xdm with 3 19 round magazines because he sets up right next to me. I approach the guy and tell him how cool his gun is and ask if I can take a look at it.

He tells me sure and I ask him where he got those high capacity magazines because I thought those were illegal. He tells me he bought them at a gun show in Las Vegas over the weekend. I say cool, do you have any you can sell me because I have been looking for some myself? He politely declines and I proceed to ID myself as a LEO and hook him up for importing high capacity magazines.

Hypothetical scenario 2: I am in uniform doing a training class at my local range and on my way out I walk through the public bay and notice a guy with a 9mm xdm with 19 round magazines. I ask him for ID and where he got the magazines (try going with the consent first). He tells me he knows his rights and tells me to pound sand.

Do I have enough to detain him? Not really, but I really hate citizens with cool guns because they are a lower class than us cool LEO's . So I wait outside the range and wait for him to leave. I follow him for a little bit until he makes a vehicle code violation. Now I have probable cause to stop him and get his pesky ID that he refused to show me earlier. I ask him if that is current address and he says yes I cite him and carry on.

Now I really want to nail this guy because when I pulled him over he only rolled down his window 4 inches and kept reciting the fourth amendment and "I have nothing illegal in my car". Okay so I draft up this cool search warrant and take it to this pro cop judge and he signs it because he thinks those assault clips are dangerous. So me and the goon squad hit the house and get his computer, bank statements, credit card bills, and receipts for high capacity magazines.

Ta da, he goes to jail and hopefully he pleads out before it goes to trial. Sorry for the long post, but please understand I would never do this and I am one of the pro gun LEO's out there. For satire purposes only...

[-hanko]

Of course possession of high capacity magazines is perfectly legal for now. With these lawmakers we have in CA that tend to have a knee jerk reaction especially when it comes to gun laws.

UOC is perfectly legal but now these lawmakers are making a pretty strong push to get rid of it as well.

Flawed analogy...

I take it you haven't been to lytle creek lately

I'd suggest if you wish to write what happened at Lytle Creek, maybe you just go ahead and let us know...just sayin'

So what's been happening at Lytle Creek?? Inquiring minds, etc.

-hanko

[HK4113]

xdm is one thing, however if it was a glock, or beretta or something else that has been out for a while you cannot assume that just because someone is in their early 20's that they dont have those mags legally.