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  • #46
    DedEye
    Calguns Addict
    • Nov 2006
    • 8655

    Originally posted by Travis
    Would this be covered under the "freedom of art" provision in the first ammendment?
    Yes, except it's called the freedom of speech "provision."
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    • #48
      JawBone
      Member
      • Jun 2007
      • 403

      Originally posted by jessegpresley
      There was a recent Supreme Court case about children's first amendment rights, Morse v. Frederick.

      Basically, the article states the majority decision was that "First Amendment rights of students in school are not as broad as those of adults in other settings".

      And this is a conservative dominated Supreme Court. Can't blame the liberals for this one.
      "Not as Broad" does not equal "No Rights." Yeah, the "BongHits4Jesus" case is discussed above - the court found that the sign promoted illegal activity (drug use.)

      That's the friggin point here - drawing "A" gun (or a couple rectangles and some squares as the case may be) does not promote illegal activity. Guns are legal to own in all 50 states. Guns are legal to shoot in all 50 states. I am so sick of people equating gun possession with illegal activity. Suspended for drawing a picture of item that is legal to own? What am I missing?

      A picture of a gun, by itself, is not illegal, nor is a knife, nor a rock - nor does it "promote illegal activity" by any reasonable interpretation I can think of.
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      • #49
        Giovani X
        Member
        • Aug 2006
        • 209

        It's simple get a good lawyer and with enough preasure from him, you try to get the school to issue a statement that it does not support any form of artistic expression. Then the kids can't draw anything anymore, and the band can't play, and no more art classes because we ( the school) don't support any type of artistic endevors. They will nver go for it so you keep the preasure on untill they do...then you move in on a first ammendment issue. Or you just keep riding them untill they remove the susspension from the boys record. You either support your students or you don't...How many parrentds will be able to apply this to thier kids, let me see all of them. This is a nazi scare tactic, and the people in Colorado are still a bit jumpy from Columbine. So play to the liberal and the conservative. "We the parrents want a stand on the school's view on artistic expression." kind of thing. That should get some panties bunched up on both sides. Just my two cents...but hey I can be kind of an pain in the *** sometimes.

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        • #50
          Electric Factory
          Senior Member
          • May 2006
          • 1855

          He SHOULD have been suspended ! And thrown in the state penitentary for 20-Life ! And water-boarded.
          Pictures of guns are DANGEROUS !!
          Suppose that picture had gone off- then what ?? Not so funny now, eh ?
          I keep ALL my pictures of guns in a safe where they belong....
          Last edited by Electric Factory; 08-23-2007, 8:09 AM.

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          • #51
            Piper
            Banned
            • May 2007
            • 1981

            This is the kind of socialist trash should be given alot of attention. These people are using Columbine to justify their own socialist liberal elitist agenda. How dare these school officials make this kind of stretch over a picture. And to not allow the parents to have a copy is so within the realm of authoritarian attitude. This is the kind of stuff that can't be allowed to stand in a free society. For educators to take this stance on this issue helps me understand why we have shootings at schools. "Gunfree zones" are kill zones, and our kids and grandkids are in the middle of them. These "educators" are going to be the first ones that scratch their heads and deny responsibility if a shooting does occur. But they create this environment of hoplophobia give themselves a false sense of security so they can continue to bury their heads in the sand until someone comes up behind them and shoots them or one of our kids. I don't care what anyone says, this kind of attitude is careless, thoughtless, irresponsible, paranoid, and evil. These people have some serious issues and need therapy. Unfortunately, if these kind of attitudes are allowed to exist, more kids will die because evil nut jobs will be free to murder at will.

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            • #52
              odysseus
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Dec 2005
              • 10407

              Originally posted by JawBone
              Guns are legal to shoot in all 50 states. I am so sick of people equating gun possession with illegal activity.
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              • #53
                ARRRR-15
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2006
                • 1207

                Yep, it's an airplane alright. Stupid teacher had the picture upside down the whole time. Actually it looks more like a space shuttle, considering the stick figures are floating around. I smell a lawsuit.

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                • #54
                  leelaw
                  Junior Member
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 10445

                  A gun is as tall as four people, and has smiley faces on it?

                  This is beyond insane.

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                  • #55
                    ibanezfoo
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 12364

                    Originally posted by Travis
                    Would this be covered under the "freedom of art" provision in the first ammendment?
                    Only if it was drawn with smeared poop.

                    -Bryan
                    vindicta inducit ad salutem?

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                    • #56
                      ibanezfoo
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 12364

                      My mother in law is a teacher. At her school, kids aren't allowed to play on the playground equipment anymore because some kid fell and got hurt. Get this, they aren't allowed to play in groups of more than one or two kids because they would be "gangs". They are given a couple red rubber balls and sent to the handball walls. No dodgeball because it is too violent. So you have a bunch of kids standing around the black top by themselves. Couple that with the joke called "no child left behind" and you have a bunch of uneducated emotionally F'd up kids growing up to become nutcases. I dunno who's at the helm of this ship but its sinking fast.

                      -Bryan
                      vindicta inducit ad salutem?

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                      • #57
                        Piper
                        Banned
                        • May 2007
                        • 1981

                        Originally posted by ibanezfoo
                        My mother in law is a teacher. At her school, kids aren't allowed to play on the playground equipment anymore because some kid fell and got hurt. Get this, they aren't allowed to play in groups of more than one or two kids because they would be "gangs". They are given a couple red rubber balls and sent to the handball walls. No dodgeball because it is too violent. So you have a bunch of kids standing around the black top by themselves. Couple that with the joke called "no child left behind" and you have a bunch of uneducated emotionally F'd up kids growing up to become nutcases. I dunno who's at the helm of this ship but its sinking fast.

                        -Bryan
                        This sounds like a great skit for Mad TV or Saturday Night Live.

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                        • #58
                          Sam Hainn
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 681

                          OK, none of you see what's really going on. It's not an airplane. It's not the space shuttle. It's not a bus. It's not a gun.

                          Can't you all see it's a picture of Columbine High School? the 2 faces in the window are Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the tethered stick figures are students hangin out the school windows trying to get to safety, the little stick figure on top of the building is police/SWAT and the 3rd smiling face is the student that drew this wishing he was a 3rd killer. He shaped it slightly like a gun cause of subconscious thought.

                          It's clear this kid was planning a school massacre - to hell with it being a gun - this was a blueprint for a mass high-school shooting!


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                          • #59
                            ibanezfoo
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 12364

                            Originally posted by Piper
                            This sounds like a great skit for Mad TV or Saturday Night Live.
                            Or a zombie movie...

                            -Bryan
                            vindicta inducit ad salutem?

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