Forced gun lock purchase

[Josey Wales]

The police dept. in my area gives away cable locks...they make great targets.

[longarmshortlegs]

If its j&r in livermore they have a local ordinance that says they must sell a gunlock with guns. I've never looked it up but took their word for it.

Here it is:

9.80.012 Requirement to sell or provide
trigger locks or similar devices.

Firearms dealers doing business within the city of Livermore shall not sell, lease, or otherwise transfer any firearm without also selling or providing
a nonreturnable

From http://www.codepublishing.com/ca/Liv...llcode0410.pdf

* Page 9-16 of code, Page 306 of PDF. Hope that helps.

[sleepercar]

Purchase at Big5, copy rec, return.

[IrishPirate]

I recently bought a handgun that didn't come with a lock and I just had to sign an affidavit saying I have a safe. So no you don't have to have a lock with you or purchase their lock.

i was going to sign the safe affidavit for my most recent handgun too and the store told me they were recently audited by the DOJ and told that the safe affidavit doesn't apply to handguns, only long guns. Up until that point they had let people sign the S.A. for handguns but they were told if they kept doing it they would get a huge fine so they don't do it anymore. I just did the classic walmart lock buy back program so it wasn't a big deal, but i thought it was interesting. I trust the shop to not be lying to me about it either. Did something change recently or has it always just been for long guns???

[Librarian]

i was going to sign the safe affidavit for my most recent handgun too and the store told me they were recently audited by the DOJ and told that the safe affidavit doesn't apply to handguns, only long guns. Up until that point they had let people sign the S.A. for handguns but they were told if they kept doing it they would get a huge fine so they don't do it anymore. I just did the classic walmart lock buy back program so it wasn't a big deal, but i thought it was interesting. I trust the shop to not be lying to me about it either. Did something change recently or has it always just been for long guns???

Enforcement changed recently, I suppose.

The Federal law that made safe-affidavit unusable for handguns was effective 2005.

See the Wiki section http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...es.2C_and_Laws

[outbrakeridah]

I guess I got lucky when I picked up my Handgun in Livermore. No need to buy a lock at all!

[CHS]

i was going to sign the safe affidavit for my most recent handgun too and the store told me they were recently audited by the DOJ and told that the safe affidavit doesn't apply to handguns, only long guns. Up until that point they had let people sign the S.A. for handguns but they were told if they kept doing it they would get a huge fine so they don't do it anymore. I just did the classic walmart lock buy back program so it wasn't a big deal, but i thought it was interesting. I trust the shop to not be lying to me about it either. Did something change recently or has it always just been for long guns???

There are two sets of lock requirement laws you're dealing with.

1.) The state of California says that ALL guns must be sold with or otherwise provided with a lock. You can provide a receipt dated within the last 30 days, buy a new one, the gun can come from the factory with one, OR you can sign the safe affidavit. All locks must be DOJ approved.

2.) Federal law states that ALL handguns must be sold with or otherwise provided with a lock. If the gun does not come with one from the factory, the dealer can give you one or sell you one. The lock HAS to be CA DOJ approved to also cover #1 above. The Fed's DO NOT accept the California gunsafe affidavit since a piece of paper is not a lock.

[Librarian]

The Fed's DO NOT accept the California gunsafe affidavit since a piece of paper is not a lock.

No, they don't accept the safe affidavit because they are provincial incompetent tools.

A gun safe is defined in the law as acceptable; BATFE simply has not created their own form that they would find acceptable.

[cmichini]

So the lesson here is don't do a PPT from a store in Livermore, don't buy a used gun from a store in Livermore, and don't buy a new gun that doesn't come with a lock from a store in Livermore.

Thanks for the informative thread!!!

[cadillacmike]

Note the Fedewral law applies only to handguns.

And it says they can Provide or sell - i guess they want to sell rather than provide in CA.

When i bought a used M9 from a big store in FL, they gave me a ruger lock for it. Strange thing though, a month later when i bought a used R-R M1911A1 from another branch of that same store (in another city), they didn't sell or give me a lock. ???

Whatever, I have trigger locks for them both if i need to use them. Also, the little Colt locks that come with new colts are also decent - they have a rubber covering on the flexible cable to avoid marring the pistol and they are not as fat as a trigger lock. You guys might not use them, but when i'm travelling these babies get locked in case my car is stolen, or broken in to or if my hotel is burgularized. One, because they cost me enough $$$$ and two, because if one gets stolen, it's not going to be readily used until someone cuts through a hefty amount of steel.

[macey109]

I do ppts at most ffls in socal.... I have come across very few who accept a safe affidavit.. most make me buy a lock. I have drawers full of them unopened. Anyone need a ca doj approved lock? Gun store in costa mesa accepts safe affidavits.

[G60]

The police dept. in my area gives away cable locks...they make great targets.

most police dept. should if they still have the locks.

but most of them won't write a receipt for a free lock, so you can't use them when buying a handgun supplied without a lock.

they're supposed to be used to lock up guns that you already have, not guns you're going out and buying or some BS.

complete BS.

[the_lazy_C]

There some places that still do the safe affidavit and others that make you buy a lock but theres no rule that says you cant bring a lock with you and sell it to the store for a $1 and then buy it back for a $1 and then get a reciept as long as the lock is DOJ approved whats the difference. I think somebody that makes these stupid laws owns a gun lock factory somewhere and makes a killing off these stupid rules.

[macey109]

I like that lazy C- I will give it a try and let you know. Hope all is well!

[allenst65]

What worse than the gunshop that makes you buy the lock? It's the one which makes you buy a lock but then does not even have any in stock, forcing you to get one elsewhere before they will release the gun to you.

Just ran into this at a shop in the OC. Fine I'll just run to Walmart I thought ... but they were out of stock too ! Had to hit two more stores just find someone with the stupid locks in stock. After all that running around, I complained and the gunstore said "well just return it to Walmart now". All that time and money wasted just to comply with their version of how the laws should be applied. Pure insanity.