PPT experience @ Iron Sights

[psssniper]

It's just another FFL who does'nt like to do PPT's as required hoping they'll geta bad enough rep that people will not go to them to do PPT's. Very short sighted on the FFL's part but they usually cant see past the buck in front of them long enough to try to get repeat business.

That's absolutely not true about IronSights. They always do PPT's with a smile and are about the fastest and most efficient I've ever seen.

Regarding the OP's problems I have never run into that situation doing a long gun there. Who was doing the paperwork? Just curious as there's a new guy there who is a "typical" know it all type gun store employee whereas everyone else there is pretty cool.

Iron sights was/is slow to jump into the OLL thing and that's very disappointing. Every FFL is different I guess and it's THEIR license on the line and THEIR decision.
Make your decisions accordingly

[evidens83]

I'm surprised they even did a PPT involving an OLL. From what I've experienced they know nothing but FUD when you ask anything BRD related.

[Greg-Dawg]

So...did the sale go through?

[craneman]

I use Pacific Home Defence. Dennis is located on the Oceanside/Vista border and he has always done me right on PPT's. You have to call to make an appointment, but he is fairly flexable. (760)803-0300. He is alot more personable to deal with.

[CA Gun Laws Suck]

The transfer was completed because the buyer said he would bring in the additional document. Everyone else that worked there was professional and nice (a young lady and an asian guy) sorry, I do not know their names. The guy who helped me might have been new, but definately did not know what he was doing. I don't frequent there enough to know everyone by name.

[jtmkinsd]

He's right, the Fed's don't care about residency, they care about identification. Granted, if you're transferring a gun in a state that you don't have proper ID for, then it becomes a residency problem, but only as far as the ID is concerned, but for the purposes of the OP that's better left for another thread.

You rebutted your own statement...if the Federal government didn't care about residency, I should be able to drive to another state, buy a gun in a FTF transaction, and drive it back to CA right? Only I can't do that Federally. Any firearms I purchase in another State must go through an FFL in my State of residence.

[Rukus]

I'm surprised they even did a PPT involving an OLL. From what I've experienced they know nothing but FUD when you ask anything BRD related.

Same here.

I ppt'd a rifle there awhile back and they not only asked me for the proof of residency, they made me lock the case that the rifle was in while going from the shop to my car in the parking lot.

[todd2968]

The issue I had with Iron Sight was with the cable lock that the seller of the pistol provided. They said that it had to be from the factory of the weapon. I tried to email them and sight specific penal code, but they could care less. They are misguided and I won't shop there again.

[microstencil]

I have found that every FFL has there own way of doing ppt. I can't blame them for trying to cover there ***. The DOJ/ATF are out to F**K them all over. I was at an FFL that has been around for 30 years and the DOJ/ATF went so far back into there records in an attempt to find an error that they could use to screw them.

I would hate to be an FFL in California today. All's you have to do is make some lame paper work mistake that has no bearing on the transfer and your done. I tell you it's not worth the Bull S**T but god bless the ones that are willing to do it for us.

Iron Sights is generally a great place to do transfers. I have done more there then I would like to admit to. Sorry to hear you had a problem.

[ZombieKiller]

Thanks for sharing that experience..

I was gonna head over there to check it out.

[faterikcartman]

I'm very familiar with Iron Sights and most of the main people there. If being treated well buying a gun or using a range is important to you this place is probably one of the best in the state.

They treat customers great and are very friendly.

The fact that they wanted you to produce paperwork you didn't want to produce doesn't change that. That you might not legally have to produce it doesn't change that either.

The bottom line is they are very conservative regarding their license and won't do OLLs and may err on the side of caution. If this is a deal breaker for someone I suggest they are the sort that is just looking for trouble.

So they wanted someone to buy another cable lock? Did you get the impression they were doing that to milk you for more money? If so, you're wrong. They sell those things at cost for only a couple of bucks. They feel the laws are unclear and they just aren't going to take a chance. Perhaps as a result of their caution you don't have to pay extra for their increased risk. Their prices are great. Try looking for a gun on Gun Genie via Davidsons and you'll see they are extremely competitive.

If the price I have to pay for getting treated with respect at a range is walking to my car to get a copy of my DMV registration I think I can live with it.

YMMV.

[ZombieKiller]

Why would they want to make the process more complicated though? I'm just wondering- it's an honest question.

Im willing to pAy extra for great service- but requiring more than the law asks for seems a little too much- that sounds like something the government would do.

[microstencil]

Why would they want to make the process more complicated though? I'm just wondering- it's an honest question.

Im willing to pAy extra for great service- but requiring more than the law asks for seems a little too much- that sounds like something the government would do.

The FFL's are only covering themselves. I like you hate the fact that every store asks for different info. The problem is the State and Fed's. There is no continuity between the different government agencies also no one will take ownership in deciphering all of the complicated laws.

I have called both the DOJ and ATF different times got different people on the phone asked the same question and got different answers. Also try to get one of them to put into writing there answer so if you get busted by a local LEO you can say "Here I was told it was OK".

Now just think what the FFL's are going through. If the person you are dealing with is polite and professional then let's all work with them. If you feel you are not getting the service you deserve go ahead and use another FFL. I have used around 10 different FFL's in the So Cal area and I have found Iron Sights to be in the top 5% for service.

Just my 2 cents.

[Astig Boy]

Im willing to pAy extra for great service- but requiring more than the law asks for seems a little too much- that sounds like something the government would do.

I am big fan of Iron Sights as well. I used to go there religiously all because of the great service...mind you I am driving past 3 other ranges and one is 10mins from my house. Im willing to drive that extra 45 mins for a great time at a great range.
You mention, they are requiring more than the law asks, but don't all gun shops have different rules. We all get different answers from the DOJ and the ATF...so I am sure all these gun shop owners get the same run around. With some many different laws, and none being concrete and clear cut, I can understand why some shops go a little above and beyond what is called for. You can't blame them really. Can't blame a shop also on how they want their business to be handled. Like the previous poster mentioned, if you really don't like it, go elsewhere...there are plenty of FFLs around the Vista/Oceanside area who are willing to do your PPT.

[ripcurlksm]

im sorry to hear you had a bad experience there. its a great range and the staff has always been great imo. ive never done a ppt there but shot there often, its a great place.