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  • CA Gun Laws Suck
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2006
    • 1289

    PPT experience @ Iron Sights

    I went to Iron Sights to do a PPT on a S&W M&P15 AR-15 lower half yesterday. I was the seller and they took our information and started the process. As the employee started doing all the required paperwork he stated that the buyer needed to bring in proof of residency. I tried to be polite and say this is a long gun and no additional documents should be required. Keep in mind his CA DL was valid and the address was correct on his DL. Then the employee said, yes it is required, and how he works with the DOJ and how he was correct. Which, he is NOT! Eventually another employee overhead the conversation and stated they take proof of residency as a "FORMALITY". California already has a lot of requirements and restrictions compared to free states, and having a FFL add their own requirements BEYOND what the FED/CA DOJ wants is ridiculous. It is worse that he said that proof of residency is required, instead of saying this is something we take to cover ourselves. People already have complications providing POR for handguns! Maybe he was new, but I will not be heading back there anytime soon.
    "This country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem, and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem." -Joe Rogan
  • #2
    Argonaut
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 1352

    We ran into a similar problem the other day. The FFL explained that the Fed's require proof of residence and it was just being enforced by the state DOJ......

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    • #3
      CA Gun Laws Suck
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2006
      • 1289

      Feds do not even require proof of residency!
      "This country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem, and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem." -Joe Rogan

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      • #4
        damon1272
        Veteran Member
        • Aug 2006
        • 4857

        I ran into this at Iron Sights also. They are wrong but it should not be a big deal as the buyer could bring in the requested docs upon pick up. (Yes, I know they are not required)

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        • #5
          jtmkinsd
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2010
          • 2352

          Originally posted by CA Gun Laws Suck
          Feds do not even require proof of residency!
          Yes they do...but unlike CA they accept your ID as valid proof of residency. If your address is not the one listed on your ID, Federal law says you need something from a government agency with your current address on it.
          Originally posted by orangeglo
          Welcome to failtown, population = you.

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          • #6
            CA Gun Laws Suck
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2006
            • 1289

            I ment beyond a DL/ID.
            "This country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem, and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem." -Joe Rogan

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            • #7
              jtmkinsd
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2010
              • 2352

              Originally posted by CA Gun Laws Suck
              I ment beyond a DL/ID.
              I could be wrong...but I believe our wonderful State is the only one in the Union that doesn't consider it's own issued DL/ID as valid proof of residency...I keep wondering why I stay here???
              Originally posted by orangeglo
              Welcome to failtown, population = you.

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              • #8
                Argonaut
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 1352

                Originally posted by jtmkinsd
                Yes they do...but unlike CA they accept your ID as valid proof of residency. If your address is not the one listed on your ID, Federal law says you need something from a government agency with your current address on it.
                That is what I was told, I have been using my Utility bill but it won't work for the fed requirement....Not Government issued. (my DL has my PO box on it)

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                • #9
                  Mad Jax
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 611

                  I've been told just to bring in my DMV registration, its in the car anyway.
                  Originally posted by myk
                  Kestryll is Chuck Norris' Calguns screen name...
                  Originally posted by MQUnlimited
                  My dilemma is keep it or sell it...either way, she's pissed...thinking about placing a cape around her neck and yelling "now you're super mad!!!"

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                  • #10
                    CA Gun Laws Suck
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 1289

                    Originally posted by Mad Jax
                    I've been told just to bring in my DMV registration, its in the car anyway.
                    I agree, most people usually have something they can bring in but that is not always the case or the point. It causes more of a headache to complete a transaction, when it is not a required document in the first place.
                    "This country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem, and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem." -Joe Rogan

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                    • #11
                      Agro
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 871

                      I did a PPT recently at Duncan's Gunworks in San Marcos. Smooth as silk, didnt ask more questions or need more info than is required by law. Kept to the $35. It's a little bit from Vista, but it was a good experience. Nothing beats Gusslers but oh well.

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                      • #12
                        Ed_Hazard
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 5146

                        It's just another FFL who does'nt like to do PPT's as required hoping they'll geta bad enough rep that people will not go to them to do PPT's. Very short sighted on the FFL's part but they usually cant see past the buck in front of them long enough to try to get repeat business.
                        Originally Posted by Sic Boy
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                        Originally posted by AJAX22
                        Don't F with those guys... they can probably use their teabag to inflict blunt force trauma.


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                        • #13
                          -hanko
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 14174

                          Originally posted by CA Gun Laws Suck
                          Feds do not even require proof of residency!
                          You may wanna' research that

                          -hanko
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                          Life's journey is not to arrive safely in a well preserved body, but rather to slide in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "holy schit...what a ride"!!

                          Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. Mark Twain

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                          • #14
                            dirtyJ
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 1002

                            He's right, the Fed's don't care about residency, they care about identification. Granted, if you're transferring a gun in a state that you don't have proper ID for, then it becomes a residency problem, but only as far as the ID is concerned, but for the purposes of the OP that's better left for another thread.
                            My posts are my own opinion and reflect no official positions of anyone other than myself.

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                            • #15
                              jtmkinsd
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 2352

                              Originally posted by Argonaut
                              That is what I was told, I have been using my Utility bill but it won't work for the fed requirement....Not Government issued. (my DL has my PO box on it)
                              I get my share of people with PO Box on their license...mostly from some of the outlying areas of the county...for them it's usually either car registration or property tax bill...but some are lucky enough their water utility is county owned...so their water utility bill works
                              Originally posted by orangeglo
                              Welcome to failtown, population = you.

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