Double Cuff Disposable Handcuffs

[XYZ]

I think the possibility of home invasion is rare and the likelihood of handcuffing that person is even rarer. That said I would include Fox Pepper Spray and a taser on your belt. If you're going to subdue someone its better to have options that will incapacitate without the need for lethal force. Just my two cents.

[ipser]

I think the possibility of home invasion is rare and the likelihood of handcuffing that person is even rarer. That said I would include Fox Pepper Spray and a taser on your belt. If you're going to subdue someone its better to have options that will incapacitate without the need for lethal force. Just my two cents.

Good suggestions. I wonder if anyone has ever drawn up a list of suggested items for home security. One might imagine a danger that merits a less-than-lethal response (e.g. a dog or a drunk).

[Cokebottle]

No, and frankly that is something that does concern me. I don't think I'd attempt it alone.

Which is why you should scrap the idea without proper training.

If you aren't alone, then how is it going to go down?
You holding your gun on him while your wife/buddy tries to cuff him and becomes a hostage/human shield?

But having read of incidents where the homeowner gets shot by the responding police, it's something I'm noodling. I'd sure rather have my gun holstered when the police arrive.

This is so rare in a legitimate HD shoot that it would be WAY down my list of concerns. Just inform the 911 operator that you, not the bad guy, is the one wearing the Snoopy jammies.

[sactime]

When you call the police inform dispatch that you, the homeowner, have the suspect at gunpoint. You are a white male, 6', wearing blue jeans and white shirt...yadda yadda yadda.

Have your friend, or whoever, that was going to apply the cuffs in the first place, go open the front door and make first contact with the responding officer.

Now you have dispatch (which should have advised all responding officers of your situation, gunpoint), and your buddy saying "Hey don't shoot my friend in the blue jeans and white shirt, he's holding the suspect at gunpoint".

As soon as the responding officer arrives, do exactly what he or she says. They may or may not prone you out themselves, cuff you, etc, until they figure it out...which they will.

When you see that officer, gun goes SLOWELY from at the ready, to in the holster...unless the officer asks you to prone and drop it.

[yelohamr]

If someone is with you while he's proned out, have them video him. If he runs, let him. If you have to shoot, it's on video.

[ipser]

So what are the risks/liabilities of shooing a suspect out the front door? (I'm assumig here that this is a standard burglar type and not a stalker.)

[Cokebottle]

So what it boils down to is whether a suspect who is cooperative enough to be cuffed is a greater or lesser risk than a misunderstanding of the situation by the responding police.

Either one can get you shot.

The difference is that the cops shooting you is FAR, FAR, FAR less likely than the intruder fighting you for your gun (whether you try to cuff him or not).

Before you consider again holstering your gun to cuff an intruder, keep in mind that an intruder armed with only a knife that is less than 20ft from you is a lethal threat.
Inside of 20ft, if he rushes you, you won't have time to draw, aim, and fire.

The intruder could be infected with AIDS/Hep-C, and may have a needle in his pocket.
You do not want to get physically closer to an intruder than you absolutely have to in order to protect life and limb.

If you hit the top of the stairs and he is at the bottom, you yell "ON THE FLOOR!" and he does so, that is how the cops should find you... him on the floor, you at the top of the stairs. There is no need to move closer.

[XYZ]

This is a good thread. Probably could be the headline for a few topics. The liability of shooting him as he leaves the door is yours. You can only stop a threat. Once you're out of danger the law is no longer on your side. You may want to add another thread of possible home security belt options.

[Cokebottle]

So what are the risks/liabilities of shooing a suspect out the front door? (I'm assumig here that this is a standard burglar type and not a stalker.)

On his way in or out?

You can't shoot a fleeing perp.

On his way in? It's much simpler if he's inside because you have no duty to retreat in your own home, but inside or out, the time to shoot is any time that you are in fear for your life or the life of another (and you have no reasonable means of escape if not in your home). Not one microsecond before... and if the fear is justified, one microsecond later could mean the perp walks away and you end up in the body bag.

If you've just opened your door to a "girl scout" and "bubba" steps out from the bushes, you may or may not have the option to close and lock the door. If you don't have the option to close the door ("girl scout" blocked it with her foot) and bubba draws a gun/knife on you, it's time to shoot.

[ipser]

After all the concerns raised about the idea of cuffing a suspect, I'm thinking in a different direction. So let me clarify:

I have the suspect at gunpoint. No shots have been fired. He's scared and cooperative.

I could hold him at gunpoint till the police arrive.

Or I could say, "leave the house now and don't ever come back." Follow him out the front door (at a safe distance) and watch him drive away.

[Doheny]

Or I could say, "leave the house now and don't ever come back." Follow him out the front door (at a safe distance) and watch him drive away.

So he can come back another time?

Call the cops and let them deal with him.

And as others have said, don't try to cuff him. Even with training it's dangerous.

[XYZ]

You may also want to post this question in the LEO forum. You'll get some objective police advice.

[ipser]

So he can come back another time?

Is that really likely, though?

[ipser]

You may also want to post this question in the LEO forum. You'll get some objective police advice.

I don't think they'd appreciate my motivating concern. (Yes, I know it's infrequent.)

[sactime]

Christ. If you're going to cuff you might as well start up your narrative or book him into county yourself.

You are now code 4.