Double Cuff Disposable Handcuffs

[ipser]

I'm planning to add some Monadnock Double Cuff Disposable Handcuffs to my utility belt. I thought I'd seen somewhere a pouch designed for these but can't seem to find it now.

What is the best way to carry plastic cuffs on a utility belt so that they don't get in the way but are reasonably handy?

[SVT-40]

You can't carry them where they would meet your requirements. If you carry a gas mask during emergency call outs some will fit inside. But for everyday wear no.

Two pairs of regular cuffs are all you need. You can't reasonably control more then two cuffed persons alone so it's useless to carry extras on you. Just leave some in your equipment bag.

[ipser]

Thanks for the advice. If I was going to carry a couple of these plastic zip cuffs instead of traditional metal cuffs how would you recommend carrying them? (I don't plan to have a gas mask.)

[yelohamr]

If there's room on your belt, use a belt keeper.

[SVT-40]

Thanks for the advice. If I was going to carry a couple of these plastic zip cuffs instead of traditional metal cuffs how would you recommend carrying them? (I don't plan to have a gas mask.)

The question you have to answer is what job do you do that requires you to carry flex cuffs instead of regular hand cuffs?

[ipser]

The question you have to answer is what job do you do that requires you to carry flex cuffs instead of regular hand cuffs?

This is the "job" of home security. (I'm hoping that if I catch a bad guy I won't necessarily have to shoot him dead.) I'd like to have the option of putting him in plastic cuffs instead of holding him at gunpoint till the cops arrive given the dangers inherent in that.

[ipser]

If there's room on your belt, use a belt keeper.

Thanks, that seems like a nice, simple solution.

[till44]

Have you been trained in how to put someone into flex cuffs? They are a lot harder to use than real cuffs. Even real cuffs require decent training to put them on someone safely, even then the majority of officers are putting cuffs on someone with a cover officer present.

I'd say scrap the idea of flex cuffs, or cuffs all together. Hold the guy at gun point and wait for assistance. If you go to cuff someone you will have to put your weapon away/down and without someone there to help you're gonna have problems if a fight breaks out. Just my opinion.

[B.D.Dubloon]

I would love to know what all is on your home defense utility belt.

[ipser]

Have you been trained in how to put someone into flex cuffs? They are a lot harder to use than real cuffs. Even real cuffs require decent training to put them on someone safely, even then the majority of officers are putting cuffs on someone with a cover officer present.

I'd say scrap the idea of flex cuffs, or cuffs all together. Hold the guy at gun point and wait for assistance. If you go to cuff someone you will have to put your weapon away/down and without someone there to help you're gonna have problems if a fight breaks out. Just my opinion.

No, and frankly that is something that does concern me. I don't think I'd attempt it alone.

But having read of incidents where the homeowner gets shot by the responding police, it's something I'm noodling. I'd sure rather have my gun holstered when the police arrive.

[ipser]

I would love to know what all is on your home defense utility belt.

Nothing out of the ordinary: holster, extra mag pouch, a knife and a small clip-on flashlinght.

I've never heard cuffs discussed as part of the "standard" home equipment but, as noted above, it would be nice to have that as an option.

Still, the objections raised are substantial.

[sactime]

Holster your gun while the suspect is proned out? Go to handcuff without knowing what you're doing and he pulls away, fights with you, whips those cuffs around when only one is clicked on...when you already had him proned. No.

Don't get ahead of yourself.

Leave him proned with the gun on him, let the police do the cuffing.

[ipser]

Holster your gun while the suspect is proned out? Go to handcuff without knowing what you're doing and he pulls away, fights with you, whips those cuffs around when only one is clicked on...when you already had him proned. No.

More likely, have someone else apply cuffs to prone suspect while I'm holding him at gunpoint.

(One advantage of the plastic cuffs is that they can be applied to both hands at once.)

[sactime]

More likely, have someone else apply cuffs to prone suspect while I'm holding him at gunpoint.

(One advantage of the plastic cuffs is that they can be applied to both hands at once.)

What if the suspect wont give up his hands? What lengths are you willing to go to cuff this guy? Very risky business.

Just because they are cuffed does not mean they are incapacitated. People in cuffs can be very hard to control...

I'm just saying that it is very risky to start slapping the cuffs on this guy.

Why does he currently need to be handcuffed? If he is obeying your commands and lying on the ground, proned out, then let it be.

Even if he is willing to be cuffed and compliant...don't risk it.

If he stays on the ground while you have your bead on him, good.

If he gets up and charges you, and you are in fear of life and limb...shoot.

If he gets up and runs out the door...let him. (cops will get him).

Don't cuff.

[ipser]

What if the suspect wont give up his hands? What lengths are you willing to go to cuff this guy? Very risky business.

Just because they are cuffed does not mean they are incapacitated. People in cuffs can be very hard to control...

I'm just saying that it is very risky to start slapping the cuffs on this guy.

Why does he currently need to be handcuffed? If he is obeying your commands and lying on the ground, proned out, then let it be.

Even if he is willing to be cuffed and compliant...don't risk it.

If he stays on the ground while you have your bead on him, good.

If he gets up and charges you, and you are in fear of life and limb...shoot.

If he gets up and runs out the door...let him. (cops will get him).

Don't cuff.

These are all very good points.

But it's not only the suspect that concerns me. It's the risk of getting shot by the responding police.

So what it boils down to is whether a suspect who is cooperative enough to be cuffed is a greater or lesser risk than a misunderstanding of the situation by the responding police.

Maybe the prudent thing to do is just shoo him out the door and let the police chase after him.