Why do FFLs hate doing transfers?

[Scratch705]

do it!!! and bring a video camera. or at least a voice recorder

[FNH5-7]

I drove to Stockton recently for a PPT. Great helpful guys at the FFL without making any faces. I ended up buying 100+ dollars worth of stuff and would've bought more if they had those other items in stock. Will check the store out next time in the area again

If you go to Gretas in Simi Valley they charge an illegal fee of $40 which means they make $15 on the deal but if you ask them why its $40 the DOJ charges them $35 and they only make $5. They seem to ignore the laws and do what they want.

There's a place in San Jose that charges $70 for a PPT because their safety instructors have to do a safety demonstration......................

[SNEAKS]

I have a friend whose Aunt works with DOJ....I swear one day I just need to take her down there and when I ask why they charge $40 she can whip out her DOJ ID and be like "Errr what were you saying, I must have not heard you through all the bull****." Maybe I should.......

I wonder how tight their buttholes will pucker up when they see who she works for.

That would be great. I will buy both you and her lunch just for that to happen if I could be there to see it.

[5150bronco]

that would be interesting and see how well integrity shines. and honesty changes.

[marklbucla]

It seems that most dealers would rather sell you something out of inventory. Let's suppose that it's because there's a higher markup on those. On gun purchases out of inventory, you still have to fill out the same form and examine it in the same way as a PPT, so you're still out the time.

The difference is that a PPT or out of state transfer should be a guaranteed $10+ for the time, rather than dealing with the tire kickers occupying salesmen and not buying anything. So the chance at making the same $50 is divided amongst the people just looking and those actually buying. I would think that sales take longer and there's a much greater chance that the time would be lost. As a dealer, you have to prioritize your time to get the greatest lift, and I would think that the optimal time spent by an employee would be handling transfers, not trying to make sales (barring the OLL/Obama craze, but the attitudes have been the same for years).

I still don't see how a PPT is less profitable than a sale, assuming that what I've read about there being a 10% markup on guns is true.

[Acorn556]

I've always been told FFLs hate doing them because they lose money. It's usually something they stock that's coming in and they lose the sale. I can understand that but there's usually a reason behind someone transfering something sold in that exact store.

I've known FFLs to stop doing transfers for this reason or charge $100....of course that was Nevada.

[Soldier415]

To the FFls that do PPT without any complaining you guys rock.

Thanks!

[Rob454]

Thanks!

My thank you is too little to show the appreciation.

I end up buying stuff there at the FFL anyway because i know that there is no money made on the PPT. the buyer walks with his gun and since I have a pocketful of money I might as well spend some since Im in a gun store. but when the FFL makes faces and starts crying thats when I get tweaked and dont wanna do anything

[SVPRApps]

There's a bit more to it than just standing there watching, then entering info. You have to nitpick the hell out of the 4473 to ensure that everything is filled out correctly. You have to ensure that addresses match up correctly, and that proper documentation is noted in the proper areas. You have to ensure the DRoS is filled out correctly as well. Yes, it's not difficult, but it can be time consuming if someone isn't familiar with the process, or if their breath smells worse than 200lbs of feces left out in the Florida swamps in the middle of summer. You've also got safe space considerations as well as ensuring the gun doesn't get damaged in any way during storage, which can happen. Don't get me wrong, we LOVE to do transfers for people, $10 is $10, and the majority of people are easy going and fun to deal with. It's that tiny fraction of people that are so over the top gonzo that make the frustration kick in.

I did a transfer the other day by a local guy and it only took 10 minutes and some typing on the computer.

[evidens83]

I have had rude experiences and excellent experiences. Guess which store I come back to for more business? FWIW I've done two PPTs at On Target in the OC and those guys rock!

[dirtyJ]

I did a transfer the other day by a local guy and it only took 10 minutes and some typing on the computer.

That means you had all your ducks in a row, and that you're a great PPT customer, the kind we love . Don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against doing PPTs for people, like berto said, everyone who comes in and does a PPT is a potential customer. Sometimes it takes longer than 10-15 minutes, because we're a small shop and a lot of times I'm the only one entering DRoS, so if more than one PPT happens, it's gonna start getting backed up a bit, which has happened in the past. I've been in stores where I've overheard PPT wait times of an hour or more, even though there's no one else around, or that stores stop doing PPTs two hours before closing time, really don't understand why that is though :\.

[SNEAKS]

Sounds like the Turners in Orange.

[Meety Peety]

I think a big reason is the fact that you are buying a gun from someone else, not their store. They know full well that their guns are higher priced than the one you just brought in to transfer.. but theres nothing they can really do about it. I can see their frustration.

I've also seen this a lot when people go in and start talking about walmart ammo. Almost every PPT I've done, someone mentions that they're going to need ammo for their new gun.. and where to get it, walmart. Every time, even the nicest people at a shop are going to cringe. Its not fair to them, it really isn't.. so I can definately understand their frustration here too. I make it a point to buy something every time time I do a PPT. Half the time I sell something, I walk out having spent the money on a new gun.. but I almost always spend at least $50 on ammo and then another $50 or so when I pick up the gun.

The way I see it, I could either spend a saturday morning in my favorite gun shop (Cal customs) or I could spend a morning wandering around walmart.. I'd much rather be in the gun shop.. thus I make sure to spend my money there instead. Most people just want to save a few bucks and don't really care if it kills local business.

[5150bronco]

isn't that the business though. if they are cool about it and have reasonable ammo than somebody would most likely buy from the store. I know that would work for me.

[zinfull]

You can buy cheap ammo at walmart but if you want defensive ammo they do not have it. Heck they do not even have ammo any more.

jerry