Why do FFLs hate doing transfers?

[marklbucla]

What's the big deal with FFLs doing transfers- PPTs and Out of states? I've filled out the yellow form 50+ times and just about every time I was done in about 10 minutes max.

If my cut is after fees is $10+ and it takes 10 minutes to do it if I'm taking my time; ignoring overhead, isn't that an income of about $50+ an hour? I'd figure that as a gunshop, I'd want to do nothing but transfers considering how many people there are in the PRK wanting to do them. Why waste the time dealing with tire kickers and overhead/holding costs if simple transfers probably have a higher ROI?

I'd think that it would be looked at like Soda in a McDonalds as opposed to a loss leader like a Black Friday sale.

[damndave]

probably because they are lazy about doing paperwork. and PPTs they only make $10 and then minus the taxes later.

[sholling]

There is more than $10 in labor involved plus 10 days or more for storage. Not everyone picks up on the 10th day. Bottom line it's a money loser for most FFLs.

[Greg-Dawg]

They don't hate transfers...they just hate you. J/K.

Just find another FFL dealer with a better deal and better attitude.

[marklbucla]

What else is there to do besides have one employee stand over you filling out the form and entering it on the DROS website?

[dirtyJ]

There's a bit more to it than just standing there watching, then entering info. You have to nitpick the hell out of the 4473 to ensure that everything is filled out correctly. You have to ensure that addresses match up correctly, and that proper documentation is noted in the proper areas. You have to ensure the DRoS is filled out correctly as well. Yes, it's not difficult, but it can be time consuming if someone isn't familiar with the process, or if their breath smells worse than 200lbs of feces left out in the Florida swamps in the middle of summer. You've also got safe space considerations as well as ensuring the gun doesn't get damaged in any way during storage, which can happen. Don't get me wrong, we LOVE to do transfers for people, $10 is $10, and the majority of people are easy going and fun to deal with. It's that tiny fraction of people that are so over the top gonzo that make the frustration kick in.

[Rob454]

There is more than $10 in labor involved plus 10 days or more for storage. Not everyone picks up on the 10th day. Bottom line it's a money loser for most FFLs.

yeah but its part of the deal to get your FFL license so.............IMO the FFLs need to stop crying and just do the PPT. yes i knwo you dontmake any money off a PPt then close up shop and get into a different line of business. And yes I am the guy who sent in that complaint about you.

To the FFls that do PPT without any complaining you guys rock.

[randy]

How long has the fee been 10 bucks? When ppt dros started 10 bucks wasn't such a money looser maybe you even made a buck. Now all these years later its a looser.

I'll add to what some of the above posters have stated. Safe handling takes time, loging in and out takes time, finding the gun in the back takes time.

Not everybody in fact many people don't have their act together when transfering or buying a gun. No blame if you don't do it much you will need some hand holding.

[5150bronco]

ppt is the same as one person selling to another like the old days when you could just sell the gun straight across?

[berto]

Some hate it because it takes time away from boasting with their buddies and ignoring those not in the shops in crowd.

Yeah, a PPT takes time. Sure, it can be a hassle and might take time that could be spent with a customer buying from the shop. It takes up space in the safe. It's more work than the $10 fee. Etc etc etc.

It also brings people into the shop. People who might not otherwise come to the shop. People who might spend money in the shop because they're in the shop and see something they like. Those same people are probably more likely to return and spend money if they're treated well.

But what do I know? I'm just a potential customer.

[Z ME FLY]

Some hate it because it takes time away from boasting with their buddies and ignoring those not in the shops in crowd.

Yeah, a PPT takes time. Sure, it can be a hassle and might take time that could be spent with a customer buying from the shop. It takes up space in the safe. It's more work than the $10 fee. Etc etc etc.

It also brings people into the shop. People who might not otherwise come to the shop. People who might spend money in the shop because they're in the shop and see something they like. Those same people are probably more likely to return and spend money if they're treated well.

But what do I know? I'm just a potential customer.

I think these are my thoughts also, if I do a PPT somewhere I usually try to buy something else there while doing the paperwork or when I pick up my gun. I know at the old CVGS I picked up a crap load of ammo and other stuff because they were good guys and hooked me up on a deal with a gun. The guys over at Bullseye are great, they make it fast whether you are the buyer or seller. I have been to a couple of places down south where it is horrible. They tell you it's going to be an hour or two wait and end up helping you within 20 mins because you are still there. Kinda stupid because most of the time the other person I'm doing a PPT wants ammo or mags but puts them down when we are told it's a 1 hr wait for a PPT.

[SNEAKS]

If you go to Gretas in Simi Valley they charge an illegal fee of $40 which means they make $15 on the deal but if you ask them why its $40 the DOJ charges them $35 and they only make $5. They seem to ignore the laws and do what they want.

[Mr. Beretta]

With everybody raising taxes (I'm sorry fees ), I'm surprised they (DOJ, etc.) haven't raise the PPT costs to at least $50.

I predict it will happen by years end.

[5150bronco]

i think it is just good business. maybe i would be in shop doing one and see a firearm I could not resist. never know.

[Dekker]

If you go to Gretas in Simi Valley they charge an illegal fee of $40 which means they make $15 on the deal but if you ask them why its $40 the DOJ charges them $35 and they only make $5. They seem to ignore the laws and do what they want.

I have a friend whose Aunt works with DOJ....I swear one day I just need to take her down there and when I ask why they charge $40 she can whip out her DOJ ID and be like "Errr what were you saying, I must have not heard you through all the bull****." Maybe I should.......

I wonder how tight their buttholes will pucker up when they see who she works for.