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  • #16
    grammaton76
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    • Dec 2005
    • 9511

    Originally posted by The Sauce
    Sorry to bring back an old thread, but would something like this (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/CASE050-1.html) work for LUCC? I'm not looking to carry around town all the time just something small to carry, perhaps inside a bag, once in awhile (when needed).
    Sure, as long as you can securely lock it.

    Personally though I use this, for $33.95: http://www.uncle-mikes.com/products/gun_pak_pouch.html

    Mounts to the belt, slip a TSA padlock through the CLOSER zipper holes (so there's no gap), and life is good.

    That hard case is a better option though if you have a backpack. There's NO security argument that could be made against the mini-safe as a LUCC container, and I readily admit it's one step safer than the LUCC container I wear almost every day.

    If you were to twist really hard, you might be able to make an argument against the zipper on the Gun Pak (i.e. if you were able to twist the padlock hard enough to tear the zipper ears off).
    Last edited by grammaton76; 11-23-2009, 12:30 PM.
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    • #17
      Lone_Gunman
      Calguns Addict
      • Jan 2009
      • 8396

      Originally posted by bdsmchs
      My Maxpedition Fatboy versipack
      -------------------------------

      From the outside you can't really tell anything:


      But some simple 550 cord abusing the pen holder gives you a "shackle":


      Will hold one full-size 1911 and 2 8rd CMC mags:



      I apologize for the crappy pics. I left the DSLR at work tonight


      This looks like a great solution. I'm a little wary of the 550 cord shackle although I guess I shouldn't be, it's just as secure as locking the zipper to a cloth loop on a case. The thing that worries me is the argument that the knot on the 550 cord could be untied or the cord could easily be cut. The first thing I thought when I sat it was "cool, for super quick access just cut the cord with my knife."

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      • #18
        CHS
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        • Jan 2008
        • 11338

        Originally posted by Lone_Gunman
        This looks like a great solution. I'm a little wary of the 550 cord shackle although I guess I shouldn't be, it's just as secure as locking the zipper to a cloth loop on a case. The thing that worries me is the argument that the knot on the 550 cord could be untied or the cord could easily be cut. The first thing I thought when I sat it was "cool, for super quick access just cut the cord with my knife."
        If that's the case, then NO soft case would be considered legal for locked carry since you could just slice open the case itself.
        Please read the Calguns Wiki
        Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
        --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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        • #19
          Dr Rockso
          Veteran Member
          • Jan 2008
          • 3701

          Originally posted by Lone_Gunman
          This looks like a great solution. I'm a little wary of the 550 cord shackle although I guess I shouldn't be, it's just as secure as locking the zipper to a cloth loop on a case. The thing that worries me is the argument that the knot on the 550 cord could be untied or the cord could easily be cut. The first thing I thought when I sat it was "cool, for super quick access just cut the cord with my knife."
          Yeah...the fact that there's just a knot in between the lock and the zipper would give me some pause. I seem to recall Librarian suggesting a "10-year-old test" for locked containers. If a clever 10-year-old without any tools can get into it, it's sort of iffy as a locked container.

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          • #20
            N6ATF
            Banned
            • Jul 2007
            • 8383

            Originally posted by Lone_Gunman
            This looks like a great solution. I'm a little wary of the 550 cord shackle although I guess I shouldn't be, it's just as secure as locking the zipper to a cloth loop on a case. The thing that worries me is the argument that the knot on the 550 cord could be untied or the cord could easily be cut. The first thing I thought when I sat it was "cool, for super quick access just cut the cord with my knife."
            Yeah, you could melt the 550 cord ends together, but you wouldn't technically be locking metal shut with metal (forcing them to bolt cut or pry like a mother), you'd be closing it with an unbroken loop. Still would need a tool, but practically no effort past that.

            But hell, if you didn't have to worry about unlawful searches and seizures, I'd go with a fixed blade knife to quick-cut the cord and get to the handgun along the lines of using a handgun to fight to your rifle.

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            • #21
              esskay
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 2304

              Originally posted by JeffW
              I was wondering if anyone would be willing to share thier LUCC containers.

              In particular, I was wondering if anyone had modified the wilderness safepacker to lock, as I think that package would be ideal.
              The safepacker is pretty cool, however it closes up with a plastic buckle, plus it has "breakaway" velcro on the side to help with a quick draw ... so kinda hard to figure out how to properly secure it.
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              • #22
                SevenFifty
                Member
                • Jun 2008
                • 185

                Dillon Plan B

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                • #23
                  Purple K
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                  • Dec 2008
                  • 3101

                  ordering my murse......lol
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                  • #24
                    paul0660
                    In Memoriam
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 15669

                    I think this offer is still on. http://www.tommysgunpack.com/Product...P%2D001%2DFREE

                    I got one, and ordered a second. They are well made, lockable through the zipper tabs, and the quick opening concept does work.

                    The best solution to the "screams gun" problem is to sew a big red cross on the bag, makes you an undercover EMT.
                    Last edited by paul0660; 12-23-2009, 12:08 PM.
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                    • #25
                      CHS
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                      • Jan 2008
                      • 11338

                      My way:

                      Please read the Calguns Wiki
                      Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
                      --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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                      • #26
                        Cokebottle
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                        • Oct 2009
                        • 32373

                        I assume the knot pulls and pushes easily through the pen-pocket?
                        Seems that would be a PITA to set up for hitting the road... I assume you carry in the shop (I didn't notice if you were carrying open last week).
                        - Rich

                        Originally posted by dantodd
                        A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                        • #27
                          CHS
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                          • Jan 2008
                          • 11338

                          Originally posted by Cokebottle
                          I assume the knot pulls and pushes easily through the pen-pocket?
                          Seems that would be a PITA to set up for hitting the road... I assume you carry in the shop (I didn't notice if you were carrying open last week).
                          You can't see it in the photo, but there are long tails after the knot, and they go through the pen holder enough to the point where I can pull it all the way through. It's pretty easy. Not a PITA.

                          I carry most days.
                          Please read the Calguns Wiki
                          Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
                          --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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                          • #28
                            Cokebottle
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                            • Oct 2009
                            • 32373

                            Okay... I see one of the tails now.
                            So they're long enough to keep the "string" captured in the pen holder but allow the zipper to fully open.
                            That's an awesome idea.
                            - Rich

                            Originally posted by dantodd
                            A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                            • #29
                              Cokebottle
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                              • Oct 2009
                              • 32373

                              Originally posted by paul0660
                              I think this offer is still on. http://www.tommysgunpack.com/Product...P%2D001%2DFREE

                              I got one, and ordered a second. They are well made, lockable through the zipper tabs, and the quick opening concept does work.
                              I'm surprised he has any left. Only thing left in large is digital camo, but he's still got a pretty good selection of small and a few medium.

                              I actually like the Sidekick better... since the gun rests muzzle-down, you aren't muzzling your johnson or your thigh when sitting down, and it's a little more compact since the large (vertcial) dimension is only the OAL, rather than the muzzle-butt diagonal.

                              Apparently the original TG pack has been replaced with one with a slightly different front pocket arrangement and maybe a little better padding for the gun.

                              A couple of weeks ago, he was running a 1-day special for the belly band (same as the TG pack, $15 for shipping, "free" product).
                              I ordered it on Wednesday at around noon and it was at my door Thursday by 10... he must have had a stack of them already in the USPS packs and ready to slap a shipping label on... guess I caught his afternoon run to the post office!
                              - Rich

                              Originally posted by dantodd
                              A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                              • #30
                                pullnshoot25
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 8068

                                Since my 5.11 Select carry pack failed to sell twice, I now use it as my LUCC bag. The chest pocket holds anything from the Makarov to the BHP and it locks nicely. The key is paracorded to the strap and tucked away to remain handy.

                                I also can tuck a voice recorder in there to be nice and sneaky

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